Then again, if there's a method to it and logic behind it, maybe these active downvoters are doing everybody a favour by screening content and downvoting things they consider to be of little value?
I don't know. It would be interesting to hear their motivation for sure.
PieFed shows us that he has an "attitude" of -40%, which I guess means that of 200 catloaf votes 140 will point downwards. So I guess at least it's nothing personal, he or she is just an active downvoter of things. I guess we all enjoy spending our time differently.
A cool potential feature would be weighted downvotes - giving downvotes form users with higher attitude scores (in PieFed terms) greater significance. But I'm derailing.
Yeah, I think your point is absolutely well made. And it's a good reason to, even if features like this are implemented widely, we shouldn't boast too much about voting being anonymous. It's just too difficult or impossible to make it bullet proof.
I don't think the automatic upvotes to your own posts count as real upvotes. At least they don't federate, so they shouldn't pose too much of a problem. I think they're just there to keep people from trying to upvote their own content.
It will never be foolproof for users coming from smaller instances, even with changing IDs. If you see a downvote coming from PieFed.social you already have it narrowed down to not too many users, and the rest you can probably infer based on who contributes to a given discussion.
Still, I think it's enough to be effective most of the time.
I was wondering what attitude was, but I never got around to checking it out in the documentation. I was wondering why PieFed insisted my attitude wasn't 100%. Makes sense now - I guess it just isn't!
(maybe a clickable question mark next to the attitude score explaining briefly what it is could be useful at some point)
Ah. Part of me agrees, another part of me thinks we've been calling threaded messages threads for decades and I don't feel comfortable letting meta ruin it.
Threads doesn't really communicate with what's referred to as the Threadiverse anyway. Sometimes to mbin I guess, but only profiles that are actively invited by being followed by users on an instance. So I'm not sure this would change all that much.
I think one of the best things we have are users like @craftyindividual@lemm.ee and @anon6789@lemmy.world who almost single-handedly curate fantastic communities of content they're passionate about.
It's a huge job, and not something one could easily ask of anyone. So I don't have a quick fix how to attract more people like them or anything like that. But I think people doing these kinds of efforts deserve a shout-out.
I'm not very worried personally. I like it here, and it seems healthy enough in my eyes. I see people ask quite specific questions about many diverse topics and get incredibly helpeful answers, and I've been in that position myself as well. That doesn't mean it's not worth discussing the state of the community though, and I'm curious what people have on their minds. :)
Yeah, they certainly don't have the same sense of urgency as the rest of us. I don't think it's bad intent as such, it's just that their priorities are very different.
Don't get me wrong - this is a massive part of the reason why I've never bothered to use Lemmy. So I absolutely think you're on to something.
I think everyone is always interested in improving, but there are a billion different ideas of what improvement looks like. Especially with content moderation.
What is a brilliant way to handle some issues might cause new problems that may or may not be difficult to predict. A lot of people have a lot of ideas, and people feel strongly about it. And most importantly, it's a lot of work to implement and typically not the most fun work for developers who tend to be be underpaid at best anyway.
It seems every fediverse service that gets big enough has people chanting about a hard fork because the developers don't care enough about content moderation. I believe it's probably more that it's extremely difficult, and that developers facing the reality of the situation might come across as dismissive when responding to ideas and suggestions.
The Lemmy developers initially included a filter for numerous slurs - I have a hard time believing they don't want content moderation to be their own vision of as good as possible.
In the end our strength is in fragmentation. I believe, no matter how little moderation tools improve, the small instances I'm on will never get as awful as Reddit. And if they do, I'll migrate to another one that's more trigger-happy about defederating. :)
That said, not sure whether you're wrong and absolutely not correcting you! Just my five cents.
I guess so. Or at least for a long time - back when I signed up it was sold as a way of broadcasting SMS messages, and nobody really knew what it was good for. At least now we know it's good for nothing.
A disturbing thing about the UK riots to me is that it seems that, between the crypto scams and the porn bots that are mixed together with Musk's incoherent ramblings on Twitter, there is still real humans in between the bullshit.
I have a Twitter account that's been dormant for 16 years or so (and never really active at all). I signed in to it today for the first time in a few months - the last time it was just to delete what was left of personal information and change my user name to something offensive to fascists.
Anyway, the content on my feed was:
Musk tweets about Kamala losing ground
A bunch of tweets with the same optical illusion, "can you read this number". One had a picture of a panda. Three of them were from Musk parody accounts using his profile picture, promising a million dollars or whatever to whoever could see it.
X bitching about Brazil. Musk bitching about Brazil.
Porn. So much porn. Hardcore porn, amateur porn, only fans promotions or what looked like it. Generally not marked NSFW, just people being pounded directly in the feed.
Barack Obama for some reason
A video of a young woman farting
Video of Trump and a black woman who didn't look like anyone in particular AI'd into a sunset together
A bunch of bitcoin spam
One guy plotting up his master plan for how people could go about to leave Twitter, despite it being so irreplaceable and all. Obviously an ageing white man who considers himself some sort of public intellectual.
Why are there still people left in this mess? Do they not realize there is porn available elsewhere?
I really like the user experience as well, and @rimu@piefed.social is great at including the community in its development and keeping an open dialogue. It's a great project.
Then again, if there's a method to it and logic behind it, maybe these active downvoters are doing everybody a favour by screening content and downvoting things they consider to be of little value?
I don't know. It would be interesting to hear their motivation for sure.