buddascrayon @ buddascrayon @lemmy.world

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In order to split the party we need a strong group to gather around in opposition to the established liberal party. And unfortunately the trademarked Progressive Party™ is owned by insane people that no one wants to have anything to do with. So another name needs to be thought up.

I'd be careful about that. Walmart in particular is getting nasty about theft. Even in making a mistake at the self checkout they've ruined people's lives.

All it needs is a couple of opportunistic fuckers to take advantage of chaos and that shit will plummet like a fucking rock.

There's also the fact that there's fucking nothing in Arizona to hit. The state is more than half desert.

That's beginning to wane. The fewer major posters there are, the fewer people will look to the site for information. And the fewer people on there looking for info...etc.

Those replies are why they are leaving. And good riddance to such a godawful platform.

Assange and Snowden are not journalists. Snowden was a researcher who leaked government documents detailing how the government was surveiling its own citizens. Which was published in a western-based newspaper outlet. And Julian Assange is a complicated issue. The government's after him are absolute assholes but you also weren't censored from finding out what was done to him. And in the end he basically got a slap on the wrist. Not to mention that he himself is quite an asshole. Just listen to anybody who's ever met the guy in person.

And neither of these people have disappeared into the dark. They make regular appearances and are reported on by Western media outlets fairly often.

And I love how you cite social media as some kind of free press. Like 90% of it's not owned by oligarchs who have one agenda and that is to gather up every ounce of money and power they can get their hands on. That's why they let misinformation run rampant on their own sites. Obfuscation is the best way to counter truth.

Oh so you can only find it on the open web where anything can be published and there's nothing to back up anything and not on the actual site that it's supposed to come from because we can't trust that site which is where the information originally supposed to have come from.

And you're saying I'm the unhinged one. 😂

Thank you, I needed a good laugh today. 😂

I actually tried searching Wikileaks itself in that exact date range. And nothing came up.

It's almost like somebody made some shit up and then published it only to take it down when it was discovered it was all bullshit. Since the only place you can find this is on the bloody wayback machine.

Okay even if those so-called cables are not completely manufactured they don't prove anything at all. And that second article is a joke. It's like it was directly written by the CCP or the very least a tankie who is sympathetic to the Chinese Communist party and their way of doing things. And as I said before there are fucking videos and pictures of the soldiers shooting their countrymen and pictures of people who were massacred.

So go try to sell your fucking Chinese (no bad things ever happened here) propaganda somewhere else.

The rare salient point.

It's funny how I can't seem to find these so-called "leaked us cables" on Wikileaks at all and that article has no links.

It's almost like it was created by some agency to misinform the public.

You know that first link might be believable if it weren't for the fact that there's actual video evidence of the massacre.

As well as pictures.

Trigger warning on the pictures. Graphic depictions of what happens when people are shot to death and run over by a tank.

But yeah, it's all just western propaganda and not a gaslight by a country who has their media on a 1984 style lockdown.

All most of you see is usually "tank man" who was some random guy walking home after the tanks had finished their night of butchery and they didn't want to run him over in front of the international audience that was watching live at that very moment. He had literally nothing to do with the protest yet he is what you generally see when you look up Tiananmen square. I wonder why that is? 🤔😒

This is all without mentioning how completely unreliable wikileaks is. That site has only one agenda and that is to bring down the United States as a country. Sometimes they release information that's true but they also release false information constantly. If you're relying on that as a source then you are a fool.

Yeah it's not like the West has a free press that can report on all the things that it does that is wrong or anything.

Found the Tankie

No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.

Trump is gonna have another go at it. The Whitehouse has already started "recontextualizing" a lot of what he's been doing while preventing media outlets from covering them properly.

Yes, China not bad, China good. You should like China cause they don't do bad things to their citizens and anything you've heard to the contrary is just western propaganda.