Ukraine Asks if Telegram, Its Favorite App, Is a Sleeper Agent
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If Ukraine is very lucky, it may find another leader of Zelensky’s strength and calibre.
Holy shit this is fucked up.
I wish everyone who thinks like this to actually experience living under a sadistic murderous dictator glorious leader like Zelensky who will kidnap you, your friends, your brother, your father, your son and send you all together into the meatgrinder lead you to victory over the "orcs"..
Those people are truly fucking sadists...
^ That's btw what happens in Ukraine as well. If you are against dictatorships, or turning a country into a prison, or kidnapping innocent people off the streets to send them to their deaths - you will find at least one [politician] who will say that you are "a Russian" (and therefore it's morally okay to do whatever to you, as we all know - Russians aren't humans, they are orcs, right?) :)
(Of course, the longer the dictatorship gets, the less effective this trick becomes..)
Ah, I see :)
Dunno why you consider me self-hating, but OK :)
I'm trying to catch a liberal here, don't spook them :(
But jokes aside, yeah it is sarcasm. I'm a Ukrainian so I know very well why people don't want to fight for the slave owning clown with a main character syndrome.
I don't know why the downvotes, it's true
Haven't you heard? Any criticism of Ukraine automatically makes you a Russian bot/propagandist, I'm downvoted for spreading Russian propaganda :)
Ukraine? Desertion? That doesn't seem credible..
Can someone familiar with the topic please enlighten me on why is this happening?
I remember Zelensky saying "We cannot force people into war with sticks", so you are telling me that people are joining the army only to desert en masse later? That makes little sense to me..
Don't they know that if Putin wins they will all be exterminated in his concentration camps, like those poor people in Crimea and Melitopol that orcs have already captured?
The thing is: Without boots on the ground, the country will stop to exist. And russia will not stop at ukraine. Any ukrainian person capable of walking and holding a gun will likely be drafted for whatever front will open up next.
So maybe, just maybe, Ukrainians don't care about the colors of the flag they are living under? Maybe, just maybe, it's the west and Zelensky for whom it makes a difference, and who kill innocent people chasing THEIR goals?
Maybe, just maybe, your opinion is different from opinions of people who actually get slaughtered, maybe they don't actually think that they will be killed by Russia/Putin and they would prefer that to dying for Zelensky's regime?
If zelensky is as evil as you are painting him, he would have done a 16+ draft from day 1. But he didn't.
Because he needs to create at least some kind of illusion that he is the good guy, doesn't he?
After reading some headlines saying "Zelensky kidnaps boys (or maybe girls too) aged 16 (why not 14 though, there are already some "people" saying that if needed - 14 year olds will be mobilized as well) are kidnapped and sent to the meatgrinder" probably even democrats/liberals would stop supporting this madness? At least I hope they would, I don't know if there are ANY red lines here...
It kind of does. espeically the forceful drafting. But due to the massive population difference it's not that noticable
That's awful, why does nobody talk about it? I don't see it mentioned in the news lately, while Zelensky's regime kidnappings are very well covered even in the western media nowadays. Whoever does not put this into mass media is doing Russians a favour, because some naive folks like me might start thinking that it's actually Zelensky's regime who does it, and people on Russia controlled territories are way safer and have more freedom than those who are on Zelensky controlled territories.
You're not going to frag any recruitement officers due to the lack of any grenades (I highly assume. maybe you stocked up).
It doesn't have to be a grenade - "Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing of a soldier, usually a superior, by a fellow soldier.". Whatever wounds/kills your kidnapper (or anybody connected with kidnapping and sending people to their deaths) thus preventing them from hurting more people is good enough.
If you want to hurt the people responsible: if you get drafted and resigned to off yourself, might as well get to the front and take out some occupiers instead of dying by hurting the defending army
Fighting for Zelensky's regime will only encourage him to kidnap and hurt more people, it's morally wrong to help him in any way. Fighting him and his regime is the thing that might saves lives.
Sounds like it's worth a try.
If that's directed to me, then well - thank you for your concern, but fortunately I left the country shortly before the war started, so I will only need to fight for my life if Zelensky's regime will convince other governments to start deporting people from other countries (thankfully he did not manage to do that at least for now).
That's not the case for my friends and family most of whom are still in Ukraine. They all mostly hope to not be kidnapped until Zelensky's regime is gone.
The question is: how sure are you that it will be different when russia ultimately conquers ukraine?
I am not sure, but
- May I (and every other Ukrainian, and every other human) pretty please decide my choices myself?
- It doesn't happen in Russia in a nearly similar scale though. How come that even though it's "a political suicide" to criticize Ukraine (well, way less so than it was 2 years ago of course, but still) - and there are articles everywhere, including western media, about Zelensky's atrocities - but there are very few news about this happening in Russia, even though they are the bad ones and criticizing them is as popular at it can be?
Fragging any officers on ukraine side is not really going to help anyone.
Fragging officers (including "recruitment officers") is in fact the best thing you can do if you are already captured by "recruitment officers" and cannot escape the war. At least you will help other people, whom Zelensky's regime will be more afraid to kidnap now.
Only real possibility for you would be to get out of the country by any means. Even if it means sneaking over the border at night with just a backpack.
That's what people do, unfortunately a lot of people have either died that way, or were captured by the "heroes" of the border guard. Zelensky has way more success in defending the western border of his kingdom (against simple folk trying to escape his regime), then the eastern one (against a proper army). I know both people who managed to escape (although through occupied territories, not through forests/mountains/rivers) and those who got caught and sent to the meatgrinder.
Honestly, I don't even know how to comment this shit...
What I do know though, is that there millions of people sadists (some may appear in the comments to this post) who will justify this, and say that its okay for Zelensky's regime to exterminate as many Ukrainians as he wants, as long as Russians are dying as well.. :(
Yep, if I ever get drafted, I'm definitely fragging as many officers/superiors as I can :)
You're not an adult in cognitive development until 25. Children are easily manipulated even at late stages.
Thankfully, our great Lord and Saviour Zelensky has solved the problem of manipulation!
In Ukraine nobody manipulates you to join the army, you are just kidnapped off the street and sent to a meatgrinder (sometimes a free beating is included, and even a free stay in some basement for a few days!).
And that's what will probably happen to 18 year olds soon.
"Some"? If nobody stops Zelensky - he won't stop until the very last Ukrainian is dead :(
But if Russia wins, have you escaped forced conscription for good? Or will you be forced to fight in Putin's next conquest?
Forced conscription in general - probably not.
What Zelensky's doing is not just forced conscription, it's literally kidnapping people off the streets, putting them into vans, often beating them in the process, keeping people in basements for multiple days, etc. and only then sending them to the meatgrinder. It's also has been described in western medias already btw, it's called "busification" if you want to have a read / watch what happens on the Ukrainian streets.
For now, you have a chance to build your own country still. Yes there's a lot of corruption and many, many other issues. Yes, the GDP per capita is pretty weak so Ukrainians are better off working abroad. But you still get a say in matters. Zelenskyy the comedian was elected because people were tired of the status quo. Has he fixed everything? Probably not, but he can still be replaced. In the modern day Russian empire you either vote for Putin or your vote doesn't count.
With Zelenaky in leadership nobody has any say. He is for a long time already an unelected usurper. I am not here to discuss whether voting in Russia is rigged or not, but at least people there can vote, can form political parties. Under Zelensky's regime you simply can't.
I'd love to see my country an indepent and free country, but the first pre-requirement for that is removing Zelensky from power (trialing him for crimes against humanity would be nice, but I know that it would never happen), and then seek a compromise with Russia.
He and his regime are threat #1 to us.
Obviously I support your right to not go to war against Russia.
Thank you.
But I think just laying down arms isn't a solution either.
People should be able to decide for themselves. Zelensky knows it's not on the table for his regime, because apart from a few nationalists (a lot of whom are already dead) nobody is going to fight for his regime.
Of course, I have a vested interest of my own. The more your brothers and sisters weaken Russia, the safer I am too.
This is not a nice thing to say, but at least you're honest about this in contrast to the hypocrites who say that they are "helping us".
Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations.
Oh well, I never really said that Russia is good, it has done lots of bad things, including to the Baltic states.
It's just that what Zelensky is doing to us is infinitely worse than what would probably be "under Russian rule".
By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?
Holodomor - my great grandmother lived through it, I have little reason to doubt it or think that it is anti-Russian propaganda, it was terrible.
Crimean Tatars - I'm not very familiar with this topic so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to (I guess it's the deportations?), but I'm sure it was also indeed a bad thing.
I don't hate blockchain, but I can see why other people might.
Blockchain's more or less only use is in cryptocurrencies (yes there are theoretically other usages, but let's be honest it's a drop in the ocean). The #1 cryptocurrency can do about 10TPS (please don't even mention all the broken L2s), the #2 is "just about to revolutionize the world with smart contracts" for almost ten years already (so far the most revolutionary thing is monkey jpegs), then there are a few stable coins which aren't even really a cryptocurrency at all, and thousands of literally memecoins.
Real cryptocurrency (XMR and maybe BCH) can and is used as currency (I pay for lots of legal stuff like VPN/VPSs/domains with XMR), but not many people are interested in that I guess.
Would I rather live under Russian rule than die? Yes of course.
And the majority of Ukrainians would prefer that as well. And despite what you're (probably) going to say, this is not just my opinion, this is a fact - Zelensky has to prevent people from leaving the country, he has to kidnap people off the streets just so that there is some cannon fodder to prolong the war. People either hide at home, or run from recruitment officers. People would rather die trying to escape the country than die on a battlefield fighting for Zelensky's regime. And even western medias are writing about it now, it's not taboo anymore. Zelensky tries real hard to convince people that Putin will exterminate Ukrainians. And yet, it's you (probably) who believes him, not the actual people who are supposedly about to be exterminated.
Seriously, just stop for a moment and think - if Russia is as evil as some try to portrait it - why is Zelensky having so much trouble with conscription? Why those stupid stupid Ukrainians don't go and fight for their survival against Putin who is going to destroy them? Maybe, just maybe, it's actually propaganda?
Actually, it seems that it's official now, Zelensky has confirmed it... :(
"If they will cut [aid], I think we will lose. Of course, anyway, we will stay and we will fight."
So even if the defeat will be obvious, he will continue exterminating us till nobody is left...
so they didn't have any real choice in the matter.
Choice? Let's talk about choice.
We don't have any choice not because of Putin's actions, but because of Zelensky's.
It's his regime that forbids people to leave the country.
It's his regime that kidnaps people off the streets and send them to the meatgrinder every day.
Yeah, disinformation..
People just share too many videos of
brutal kidnappings and beating of people in broad daylightlawful mobilization actions by conscription officers there.And what's even worse, people warn each other about the places where such lawful mobilization actions are taking place today, so that others can avoid them.
Unthinkable, right?