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I am not using it as insult, you're literally by-the-book definition of fascist, like Zelensky's regime whom you support :)

But yeah we're done, speaking with fascist.worlders that literally want to kill me and every other Ukrainian is kinda taxing my mental health, so cya and hopefully one day you will get to enjoy living under fascist government that you support for us.

You love Russia so much.

I don't, I'm just saying they are liberating Ukraine, which does not mean I love it :)

You're a fascist btw :)

You can make it to Russia easily.

Why would I need to go there?

you are not Ukrainian.

Ah ok thx, I'm sure you know better than I do :)

stopping the worst state sponsor of terrorism from acquiring nuclear weapons

I don't think it's possible unless you invent time travel, but if Trump did stop USA from acquiring nuclear weapons I think he would deserve a Nobel Peace Prize indeed

By that logic every country should invade every other country to "save" the population that didn't vote for the party currently in power.

No need, only the countries where the power is grabbed by people who kidnap and terrorize the population please :)

If Russia is so good to Ukrainians then why aren't you there?

I am from a territory that is not yet liberated by Russia. Obviously I cannot return there anytime soon, because if I do I will be trapped in Zelensky's prison like everybody else. But even if it gets librrated, I currently have more economic opportunities elsewhere, so until retirement I will probably at most visit "there" (but again only if the territory gets liberated).

know that Russian "liberation" is a death sentence.

Ask them what happens when someone gets kidnapped by TCC ;)

You know, I of course also have a few "friends" who support Zelensky's regime, also both in and outside of Ukraine. You know how they are different from the rest? They are also fascists, like you, and also like you they do not need to be afraid of getting kidnapped and meatgrinded (either because they are not Ukrainians, are rich, or also escaped Ukraine). So, their logic is also like yours, somethig like "Russian orcs are invaders and we should fight them, kidnapping is justified. Me? No no, here is a list of reasons I cannot fight, even tho I want to... But other people, they should fight and die for Ukrainian glory!!"

One fascist less ❤

First link - about detention for protesting. Thanks for proving my point about people in Russia having more freedoms and at least some chance to protest. In Ukraine you would not even think about, as you would be kidnapped and sent to the meatgrinder immediately.

Second link also further proves my point - "conscripts cannot legally be deployed to participate in military operations in Ukraine", so in other words you are not sent to die in the meatgrinder. The following example of conscripts actually getting into war is about Ukraine invading (!!) Kursk oblast, where they murdered soldiers and civilians. The stories about the actual kidnappings are just that - stories. Perhaps if you look really hard you would be able to find 1 or 2 videos of that happening in Russia, where individual officers overstep their authority, in Ukraine its systematic, and well the only way to keep the war going.

So again, Russia is liberating people imprisoned by Zelensky's regime.

If Russia really cared about "saving" they would leave, and the "kidnapping" wouldnstop.

They liberate the people from Zelensky's regime, people that decided they don't want to be under his rule.

This "kidnapping" you speak of is Ukraine enforcing it's conscription laws

And Russia is liberatong people from being kidnapped. From regime of people like you, who think that kidnapping and killing people can be justified.

Tell me, how many Ukrainians have you spoken to since the Russia restarted it's brutal war of aggression in 2022? My guess is zero.

I am Ukrainian. My family is Ukrainian. More than half of my friends are Ukrainian. Some of my colleagues are Ukrainian. Some of them are living good lives, because like me, they either legally or illegally managed to leave Ukraine. Some of them are still in Zelensky's prison and live in fear of being kidnapped and killed. I say that Russia liberates Ukraine because I know what happens there and I have some basic empathy towards other people, in contrast to fascist.worlders. Zelensky blesses TCC animals to kidnap people off the street. Russia sends drones and rockets into TCC buildings. It's pretty obvious who is liberating people and who abuses them.

Russia also drafts civilians. Hundreds of thousands of them, so far.

Ah, silly me, look like I felt victim to tankie propaganda, I thought in Russia people join the army because there are monetary incentives to do so! Can you now please share a page similar to https://uadraftmuseum.ch/ documenting how evil Russian empire kidnaps people off the streets, beats and busifies them, so that I can finally break free from the propaganda? Thank you very much!

liberating a people comes with self-determination

Self-determination is the right of a people to choose their own political status and governance, often associated with the desire for independence or autonomy. It is a key principle in international law, emphasizing that people should be governed only with their consent.

Well, that also fits.

People from Donbass in particular very much don't want to be governed by Zelensky (or Ukraine in general).

The rest of the people, as you can imagine (and see from all the busification videos) also don't like being governed by the regime that literally forbids them to leave and kidnaps and kills. People under Zelensky's regime cannot vote and choose their representatives.

Of course, the perfect scenario for people would be to have independence both from Zelensky's regime and Russia (as was the case initially with DPR & LPR), thus having full self-determination, but unfortunately that card is not on the table (if it was, it would be the best option imaginable). So there are just two choices. And obviously, the one with Russia gives people more self-determination than the other one.

America is also kidnapping people from their homes and work places

Are you talking about ICE?

Well, I think it's a question of scale.

If somebody invaded USA to liberate "illegals" (so, after taking power, "illegals" would have the same rights as "legals"), I would also call that a liberation, but only for that group of people. I wouldn't say that USA as a whole got liberated though, because obviously this is just a small group that received additional liberties.

It's different in case of Ukraine. Almost every single family (apart from the rich ones, obviously) is a potential subject to kidnapping (and killing/wounding) of their men. So here it's liberating everyone, therefore I don't think there is more appropriate word than liberation.

Well, why would I blame Russia for Zelensky's actions?

It's his regime that turned country into a prison that doesn't let people out and kidnaps them off the street to send them to die.

Russia is liberating people from that. I just hope that they will be able to liberate the whole Ukraine instead of just 4 regions (even if it's probably unrealistic and not their goal..).

Conscription has always violated human rights

Well, that's true, at least we can agree on that :)

What happens in Ukraine isn't even "conscription" tho, it's literally just masked men hunting other men on the streets and kidnapping them into vans (grab first ask questions later). Just look up "busification" (word of the year 2024 according to some Ukrainian dictionary organization btw) if you want to see more.

there are certainly better words like "conquer"

Why would you think that "conquer" is more appropriate than "liberation" in this context? When hostages are freed, and can now do whatever they want (instead of just being hostages), do you say they were conquered or maybe liberated? Same situation here.

Russia isn't "liberating" the people in those regions. They are stealing that land, and calling it "liberation".

But it is. And I literally just told you why - the people on the liberated territories gain more freedoms (or liberties, as in liberated ;) ), freedom of movement, freedom of leaving the country, freedom of not being kidnapped off the street, freedom to vote for political parties parties, freedom to speak whatever language they want, etc. etc. etc.

This is literally the dictionary definition of word " liberation" :)

Also, they are not stealing land, what are you talking about? The land / real estate in the liberated territories still belongs to the people that live there, nothing changed (well, except those people having rights and liberties instead of being Zelensky's cannon fodder).

You probably misunderstood what I meant :)

By not allowing people to escape I meant this: https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411

By kidnapping people off the streets I meant this (and well, hundreds of other sources): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/

So let me ask you once again, when someone frees people from that, what is a more appropriate word than liberation? :)

So, how should we call it when people are "not liberated" from the regime that doesn't let people escape the country and that kidnaps people off the streets and sends them to die in the meatgrinder?

I always thought that the word for that is liberated, but I'd gladly learn a better one :)

Don't forget to thank our Lord and Saviour Mr. Zelensky (and the brave heroes protecting Ukraine's borders!) that this criminal was caught!

Just imagine what would happen if he actually managed to escape, and god-forbid lived a happy life instead of being kidnapped in a few years (or earlier..) off the streets and sent into meat grinder to die? That would be terrible!

God bless western democracy.

And some people are really surprised how can people say that Russia is liberating Ukraine... Yeah, those must be tankies. Obviously freedom is slavery.

I don't understand what this article is about.

I also get RSUs at my job. Every "performance review cycle" together with salary increase I am awarded N shares that will vest over some period of time (multiple years). A few times a year those shares are vested, and after they are vested I actually own them and can sell them (or hold them for as long as I want). So they are part of my compensation package. If I get laid off (or quit) I will obviously not receive my unvested shares. The same as I will not receive any salary that my company would pay me if I continued working there.

So I don't understand how complaining about not receiving unvested shares is different from complaining about not receiving salary that you would get in the future by continuing working for the company...

This week you guys thought they were lying when they reiterated words from Zelensky

Yeah, I think reconfiguring the bots with a new narrative is long overdue tbh...

It's one thing to question how objective are Russian sources when talking about ukraine, but those bots post the same "this is Russian propaganda" / "this is unreliable source" narrative even under articles from western medias, and it even gets posted under articles from ukrainian sources, where the next recommended article is usually something like "illegally, unprovokedly and full-scale invading orcs just massacred triillions of innocent ukrainian women and children" which is just peak comedy :/

At least add filtering on domains before commenting or something, it's not that hard XD

That guy, whoever he is, must be a Russian agent spreading their misinformation!