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I get that, but the proper response is definitely NOT "yeah it's Linux's fault" just because OP doesn't look further than that. (Edit: forgot you were OP when I first wrote this. Oops.)

I'm beyond caring if someone takes a superficial look and goes back. Years ago I felt compelled to try saying "hey you didn't stick with it long enough, let me try to convince you that you'll eventually see all the other ways its better" now I'm (apparently) the asshole who says, "If you want to use Linux, great, let me know if you need any help. If you want to go back to Windows, the door's over there."

The argument "If you want Linux to succeed" no longer holds any sway for me. Linux has succeeded. It doesn't need every last person who doesn't currently use it to start using it in order to continue succeeding. 10 years ago we'd never have believed Linux gaming would be where it is today. 15 years ago it was madness to think desktop Linux usage would be as commonly discussed and known as it is today. 16 (edit: 16, not 18) years ago I crossed the threshold where I no longer needed Windows, and a shitload of people have done the same since then. (And a pretty big chunk of people did it before me - when it was MUCH harder to do)

No one who values privacy or actual ownership of their OS and hardware, and doesn't buy that they have to share control of it with Microsoft (or any entity), is going to stay with Windows for the long-haul, and MS makes that argument stronger and stronger every single year, while desktop Linux continues being refined and getting better and better. Not everyone shares those values, and that's fine. Plenty do, and we live in a modern era that brings such issues to the forefront over and over again.

So when a random person says "this single game is what made me go back to Windows" I wish them all the best, but when members of the Linux community (or worse, folks who are not) tell me I should be kissing their ass, that pisses me off. (Not saying you are doing so - edit - you kinda are actually)

“I wish I looked as good as I do on those cards, that I can tell you,” the former president says in the video.

“They give me muscles where, believe me, I don’t have them.”

Hey look, he actually can tell the truth.

I do see your point, but it's out there now. How many thousands of people just grabbed it, or will, because of the article?

Just like PGP, decss, and countless other things, it will be kicking around at the usual places for anyone who wants it for long time, probably well past the point where anyone cares anymore.

Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850

So it's 100% the developer's choices that have resulted in this train wreck of a thread.

This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority.

The person it needs to be a priority for is the developer, not anyone you are addressing here. If it makes Linux look bad and not the developer look bad, that's the fault of whoever is choosing not to understand the root of the problem.

I don't feel the need to sell Linux to someone who isn't interested or who has already decided they are going back to Windows.

OP didn't ask for help. OP said "This one game doesn't work for me, gaming on Linux is a pain in the ass, I'm going back to Windows." (paraphrasing)

You are not going to convince me coddling those kinds of posts is beneficial to the community.

I'd use BSD or even (shudder) MacOS before I used Windows - and while not everyone needs to feel that way, I reject on its face the idea that the primary goal of the Linux community is to endlessly try to convince people who have decided to go back to Windows not to go back to windows.

I use Linux because I like Linux. I like to interact with people who like Linux. I love to help people who want to learn to like Linux.

If someone looks at the totality of awfulness that is Windows and MS (and i say that as someone who supports Windows on the sever and the desktop) and decides it's worth it to go back because they want to play a specific game, that's fine, but I feel no obligation to beg and cajole them to come back, and I bristle at the implication that I, or the community at large, should.

I'm also not going to pretend that a post saying they are doing so is in any way a contribution to the linux community. It's not. At worst it's a troll and thumb of the nose as they head out the door, and at best it's unhelpful, and points the finger at Linux when that's not where the finger belongs.

Did no one know this game didn't work until OP posted about it? Did OP contact the DEV to let them know they should do things differently? Has our understanding of the state of gaming on Linux been enhanced in any way? No, probably not, and no.

If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.

If someone makes a top level post about it, yes I would, for the same reasons.

If it's a comment that flows naturally from conversation, I don't see the problem. (in either case)

But I think you meant condemn, not condone.

Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.

It's literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.

Don't forget the insurance companies.

In all seriousness, I think this sort of thing is really just another factor pushing to truly self-driving cars.

Did you not see the second word in the quoted sentence?

OP should be complaining to the game dev then, not trolling the Linux community about it.

In 2023 we still have folks telling linux uses we have to kowtow to non-linux users?

Someone doesn't want to run linux, fine. Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That's no better than a troll. Like those folks who used to make a big post to tell you they were leaving reddit or other forum because someone made them angry. (And I don't mean the Spez debacle)

ALL the shit that's awful about MS and Windows is less awful to OP than running Linux. OK. Well, that's free will.

Some things in life don't need to be announced. No one is shaking their head in sad defeat right now because OP went back to Windows.

Although I agree that the egg industry has shown itself to be miserable bastards, I feel like all you've demonstrated is that consumers are still being gouged for eggs in chicago.

Prices have come down a lot here, and based on replies to your comment, many other places also.

That does suck, but it also leads me to believe that some entity local to you is the source of the problem.

There are no moderate or progressive Democrats. There are just Democrats.

While I agree with the message of unity in your comment, why would you push it via this complete fabrication?

As just one example among many -

AOC: ‘In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party’

Kinda is surprising in Florida.

Manchin and Sinema?

I am so glad that nothing I do in life will ever cause this problem to matter to me.

The way I was taught in school, the answer is clearly 1, but I did read the blog post and I understand why that's actually ambiguous.

Fortunately, I don't have to care, so will sleep well knowing the answer is 1, and that I'm as correct as anyone else. :-p

This is what happens when countries rely on the US for foreign aid. We are unreliable.

Absolutely true.

Just ask the Hungarians how trustworthy we are at helping Eastern Europe throw off the Russians.

Because bribery and threats are the only two ways Republicans think things are supposed to be done.

I was really looking forward to the limitless meme material that was sure to come from his testimony.

Ah yes, those are the only two options.