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German police are disappearing and torturing protestors? Nay, they're not just doing all that Gestapo shit, they're even worse? Is that what you're trying to say? [citation needed], then.

Watch your comparisons if you want to be taken seriously.

Gesundheit.

Well, it should also have been Palestine's independence: The UN mandate was dissolved, terminating British rule, and then instead of having two brand-new states shit hit the fan even harder. Zionists wanted their state, surrounding Arab states wanted to have none of that, hence also why Jordan grabbed the West Bank.

I mean in all other cases we call the point where colonial mandates were removed "independence", it doesn't really matter that the state then established is also a colonising state. Random example: The USA.

and the Gestapo mashes in

You're trivialising Nazi rule.

And that's precisely why noone in Germany is listening to you. I can only surmise that you're a Hasbara agent trying to paint the Palestinian cause in a bad light.

Nope UN Resolution 242. Jordan grabbed the area during Israel's war of independence (1948), annexed it in 1950, then Israel did its six-day thing, conquering the territory, and the UN said "nope neither of you can keep it it's still Palestine".

Much of applicable law in Palestine is Jordanian law, though: It's a modern system and culturally appropriate enough, so why replace it when you can tinker. Not that it matters much, Israel is applying its own martial law to the whole area because it didn't annex it but occupy it, which in principle should make the settlements illegal under Israeli law but you know only democracy in the Near East and all that.

Nah, you're just occupying another spot on it. And unless you're an algae or something, literally living from light and elements floating about in the air and sea, you're not at the bottom.

The ecology expands beyond your pet ethical considerations.

Side question: Would you begrudge your dog eating your corpse? If you love them so much, why don't you feed them, when that is all you have left to give?

Your dog would not mind eating your horse. Your dog also wouldn't mind eating you.

There's two principal reasons why people make a difference between cats/dogs on the one side and horses on the other: The degree to which they're family, but very crucially also to the degree to which horses, or cows, very much aren't carnivores, it's about position on the foodchain, how much heavy metals etc. accumulate, that's not just a modern thing it's always been the case. That's why eating dogs is an exception among human cultures, while with cows not eating them is the exception.

That drug use thing is a massive stretch of the words “cause harm to yourself or others”. That clause is - to my knowledge - used exclusively to mean things like abuse, assault, murder, or suicide.

Did some further googling and it appears that what I remember might apply to a) school councillors and the like, and b) law enforcement getting reports about type of treatment after they dropped someone off. Why law enforcement is doing EMT stuff is of course yet a whole another topic.

While Scripture discourages gossiping and speech designed to damage the reputation of another, keeping a confidence “is not an absolute, especially when others are being harmed or may be hurt.

And that's exactly how German law sees it: Breaking confidence is permitted in certain cases, but not mandated. On the flipside, if you're e.g. a cop or a child care worker, when you see certain things you are required to pursue them, that's different in e.g. the Netherlands where cops are free to ignore you if you light up a joint in front of them, and tell them about it, and don't even hide it in a brown bag. People taking confessions including therapists are neither of those, though, so they do not have that kind of duty.

Law will never be able to cover, in detail, the balancing process necessary to actually reduce harm in any specific case. It is a very blunt instrument.

You're exchanging one absolute for another. The original absolute btw, not being that absolute because catholic priests can tattle anonymously (if the state allows for such things, different topic), and then themselves confess. But it should never be a "hear X, do Y" kind of deal. That doesn't serve the situation.

Source? I have literally never heard that.

Don't know where I got it from, but second google hit: https://www.amahahealth.com/blog/can-i-talk-to-my-therapist-about-my-illicit-drug-use/

But, there is a condition - your therapist is also bound by the ethical duty of reducing harm, so if they find out that your drug use can cause harm to you or someone else, they might have to report you to the authorities.

So if they figure that you are in a state where you might be leaving needles behind at playgrounds, they have to report you. They have no leeway to say "I can convince this guy to be more mindful". That alone wouldn't be that bad, but if you're in a downward spiral, "causing harm to yourself", they also have to report you. Which, given the state of the US criminal justice system, is going to do even more harm. The whole thing is unethical AF.

There are specifically no systems in place for that to happen, or indication that that actually does happen. There is specifically every indication that churches often cover up these crimes as a matter of habit.

[citation needed]

I mean not the matter of habit covering up thing particularly when it comes to the Catholic Church, but e.g. Lutherans also take confessions and over here the EKD very much had not that kind of issue: Abuse exists, as it does everywhere, but it did not have institutional backing, much less wide-spread. When one instance of one superior covering for one subordinate came to light they stepped on it hard and passed new laws that include mandatory reporting -- but not when it comes to confession. "See something, do something", yes, but not "Take confession, do something".

It's that kind of thing the Catholics should be criticised for -- somehow the Lutherans had several magnitudes less of a problem, and yet reacted magnitudes more decisively when it comes to stopping it, making sure that church structures don't turn into a criminal conspiracy. Lifting or not lifting the seal won't do anything to institutional rot. You're focussing on the wrong thing.

Horse meat is absolutely tasty, and if it wasn't so unpopular it'd probably be in the same price range as beef, overall the market is quite small, and absolutely zero horses are raised for meat. Bluntly said at the end of a horse's career an owner is asked "do you want an urn, vacuum packs, or not pay anything I'll sell the meat". If your dietary preference for meat is animals which have been loved and pampered all their life horse is a very good choice.

Trouble with the scandal back then was that it was all untracked horse meat. And there's plenty of horses around which get treated with veterinary drugs that make them unsuitable for human consumption because no owner is prioritising slaughter over their health.

These people really think that it’s okay not to report pedophilia? Why? Because the pedophile confessed to inarguably one of the worst crimes imaginable, and promised not to do it anymore?

So that paedophiles don't stay away from confession, so that priests can tell them that god wants them to go to the police as penance. Noone is helped when paedophiles instead keep their mouths shut.

You think a therapist wouldn’t report that because their patient said they won’t do it anymore? Did they pinky swear?

Over here in Germany, therapists may break confidentiality over planned or grave crimes, but are not required to. It's always a balancing act and from what I've heard in the US you can get arrested for telling your therapist that you took drugs which is insane.

Mandatory reporting doesn't solve problems and while doing that causes a ton of others. There's a gazillion things you can do to address things, making snitching mandatory is about the least useful and most damaging.

It's a category. All lines are arbitrary to a degree and "interbreeds and produces viable offspring" is not exceedingly arbitrary. You can have arguments around populations which could and would interbreed if they weren't geographically distinct, you can argue about whether offspring needs to be viable no matter which way around the sexes of the parents are, or how large the percentage of viable offspring needs to be, but in the end, yep it makes sense to have a distinction somewhere around that bunch of criteria.

House cats and European wild cats are considered distinct species not because they're genetically incompatible, but because they don't interbreed to any significant degree -- too many behavioural differences, and we're not speaking about culture, here. So even if they could intermingle in theory in practice they don't, so they stay separate, so they're different species.

It's kind of... a behavioural view on the genome? If you have a better idea, field it, there has to be some dividing line because taxa for the taxonomy god.

completely upending the view of homosexuality as a sin.

Nono you don't get it that is how it always was. Something along the lines of "chem sex parties associated with so-called gay culture are a sin", who said anything about actually loving relationships? Going back through all the official proclamations you probably won't find anything that contradicts the new stance: They have a habit of writing in grand generalities that can be readily re-interpreted. The church doesn't change it just forgets that it was different, that's the only way a ratchet can even work on the conservative side. And yes they'll never condone chem sex parties.

I suppose its plausible that a child abuser wouldnt go to confess that if they knew the priest had to pass that information along, however I think the logical inconsistency is that they would then be at risk of dying without having confessed such a grave sin. Which hypothetically if they were a true believer of what the church teaches would be worse than any earthly punishment imaginable.

If they believe to that kind of extent then they'd just turn themselves in, no priest necessary. Confession is something trained into people culturally, habituated from a young age, on the level of individual behaviour it doesn't really have anything to do with Catholicism in particular, or theological doctrines, it just so happens that Catholicism is a culture which does that kind of training. So we're not relying on paedophiles being faithful, but having a habit of spilling stuff every so often.

Lutherans, too, know confession but it's not much of a cultural practice. I'm pretty sure there's cultures that do practice regular confession but aren't Catholic or even consider it part of a religious context, though granted the best I can come up with on the top of my head is sweat lodges which are not about confessing your wrongdoings, but giving thanks. Oh, Marxism-Leninism but there it functions as a humiliation ritual. It kind of shows how the whole thing becomes toxic AF when it's public¹.

The other thing is that is must be psychologically tormenting to some degree for priests to know other people are heinous criminals and being powerless to stop them other than saying “turn yourself in”.

They're supposed to have support networks for that, just as therapists etc. have.

I can't give a solution here. There simply is none, there's no avenue that would stop this kind of thing, at least not by tinkering with confessions. And either way the impact of a change would be marginal. Other practices such as backing up your kids when auntie wants to slobber them but they don't want to be slobbered, teaching kids early on that they have a right to bodily autonomy, are way more impactful.

¹ Inb4 tankies come in here saying "ML isn't a religion": Yes it is, it's speedballs for the masses. Get bent.

See the point about random companies selling it for profit. A patent license does not have to cost anything. Don't know if AstraZeneca did give it away for free to poor countries which do happen to have the right kind of production capability under a "produce for yourself but don't sell it" kind of deal, but it's definitely a thing that you can do.

The patent itself isn't evil, it's all about how it's used. And btw open source licenses rely on copyright law, especially anything GPL-like would not work without it.

Lifting the seal won't help a thing, on the contrary it might make things worse because then paedophiles aren't going to confess, any more, and priests can't tell them that god wants them to go to the police.

It's akin to requiring therapists to tip off the police when you confess that you consume illicit drugs: All you're doing is stopping people from talking about it in the first place.

Are there therapists who are drug dealers and abuse that confidentiality for their own business interest? I'm reasonably sure. I mean there are a gazillion of therapists in the world, there has to be at least a couple of drug dealers among them. But that's no excuse to make it worse for everyone else.

People like teachers and of course child care workers should be reporters regarding this kind of stuff, but on the flipside the reports should go to a place where the victim then can find confidentiality. And maybe that's even what at least some priests are doing (afterwards confessing that they broke the seal), important bit being that the perpetrator can't know that the tip came from confession, and the official doctrine, "confession doesn't leak", is still intact.

They're a ratchet. Calling them progressive would be a straight lie but they do go with the times, maybe 100 years behind, picking up all stragglers that can reasonably be picked up.

In 50 years, mark my words, they will marry gay couples, or at least bless them before the congregation (without sacrament, or maybe they'll invent a new, same-but-different, sacrament). Why? Because the Vatican recently gave priests authorisation to bless gay couples in private: Blessing the relationship, not just the individuals. Click.

I did try to find unit costs for Cuba's vaccine but failed. While doing that I found a paper analysing distribution costs in Vietnam and long story short it can easily cost four bucks just to get the stuff from the plant into people's arms.

Not patenting it would allow them to create their own

Patenting it and licensing it also allows them to create their own, but now they need a plant to do that, which requires things like reliable electricity, infrastructure to enable supply of raw materials, whatnot. It's not like you can brew that kind of thing in a bathtub. What patenting also does is stop random Indian pharma producers from cooking it up and selling it to Botswana without giving you a cut, that is, the wrong private enterprise profiting off it. One that didn't incur costs doing studies so that regulators would greenlight it.

From what I gather most of the doses used overall in the world were AstraZeneca, and much of it was given to countries for free, with western countries stemming the bill, not AstraZeneca. The EU apparently (it's in your wiki link) brought the price down to €1.78 because the EU was supplying the production capacity, and €12 for Pfizer/Biontech, which was never in the race for distribution to poor countries in the first place because it requires a tight, and very cool, cooling chain. Forget about the four bucks per dose for distribution in that case.

Would this all have been better in a socialist world? Yes. But that's not what the situation on the ground was during the pandemic so stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, western countries (excluding the US) were up to the task not getting fucked over by big pharma, and passed that on to other countries.

awk is practically made for record processing, within the shell you can set $IFS. The reason so many ancient UNIX file formats use : as separator is because that's the default setting of $IFS.

It's all a huge PITA, though. I mean there's a reason why people started using perl instead. Nushell is great for that kind of stuff, even more so if you have random json or such lying around it loads just as easily. "Everything is a string" was a mistake.

You quit it just like you quit ed or ex, just that you have to enter the prompt (:) yourself as vi is not by default in prompt mode. And you should know ed, ed is the standard editor.

I use Helix btw.