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angrymouse @ angrymouse @lemmy.world Posts 4Comments 343Joined 2 yr. ago
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Bring out the whataboutism.
You only use moral critics and then call me for whataboutism. Let's leave the effect words aside and talk about the data?
understand the need for moderates or right wingers to stan for the USA. The USA and China both have horrendous governments
No, you don't understand, cause you are putting China and US as they are similar, US have 800 military bases around the world, US invaded 2 countries and financed at least 3 coups only in this century, you cannot take it and say lightly "both are bad bru".
I’ve never understood the need for communists to stan for horrible countries
What is an horrible country? This is what I'm pointing, just bad adjectives without any explanations, for a single time you can think about the possibility you are burried by cold war propaganda? Or you deny McCarthyism? China is clearly a better place with the communist party, you have a lot of room for critics but the numbers are astounding. For sure China do things I hate and criticize but I can't understand the need for muricas to call a country that made the biggest leap in combat poverty in the history of humanity, an "horrible country" and refuse to elaborate. Is horrible for who and where?
genocide, war, colonialism, ethnocentrism
Here pls enlight me, I'm totally open to this, but there is any source for what you are saying that does not come from a think tank?
Genocide: how do you have genocide without propaganda? There is any piece of propaganda against any minority in China? You have social media there, how nobody ever got a public speech against a minority in China? I never saw even a Trump/Bolsonaro/Órban/Le Pen like public speech against any minority. If you have, pls link it to me.
War: where is war and what war? After the revolution which war China entered? The last war China participated was the Vietnam war when they defended the already recognized Vietnam government (that even received help from US during the war against Japan) against and US trying to bring Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia back to the French domain. Before it was just civil wars.
Here I will get a comparision, and it is not whataboutism, I have to compare to something that is not just an idealization of myself:
China have 4 militar bases around the world;
Germany have 4 bases around the world;
Turkey have 10 bases around the world;
UK have 32 bases around the world;
Canada have 4 bases around the world;
If there is countries looking to war, for me seems that China is least one of them. The only thing I remember that is shit right now is the Indonesia x China situation, but is far away of escalation.
concentrate tremendous power at the top
How much it is? I'm not saying that China is a beautiful place, but there is actual voting systems with a enourmous rotation of ppl in the congress and officially the general secretary have less power than a president in presidentialism and similar to a a Prime Minister.
Also about power, 1,095 strikes recorded in 2021, for me strikes are a great indicator that workers have some kind of power and can demand better conditions.
I’ve never understood the need for communists to stan for horrible countries
Answering your question, do you never thought the possibility that these "horrible countries" were not that horrible places and that you (specially if you are on US) have a completely distorted vision of these countries because you are historically in war with them? And again, China is not a perfect place, but no country is, countries don't come from nothing. But if you still try to label things without any deeper insight, like bad, good, genocide, war, you will never understand, for sure.
Americans are taught to hate communism from early age, any statement that say "communism is bad" is true, even comming from their government that knownly financed dictatorships and even invades countries in the name of anti-communism. Just remember they elected a president over this, you will not be able to talk pondering about this with an average murica.
If you say anything you are a tankie.
Wow you are so cool being reactionary. You are the one that see the reality, let me guess, you are centrist, right. Only a centrist can have so brilliant take, I envy you, I want to be smart and sober in a way only an experienced person like you can be. The world would be such a great place if everyone thought like you, you should write a book.
You only fight each other if you are lost. I fight the bourgeoisie.
Maybe it is comrade, but I have no other thing to do than fight.
Well, as I said above, news and World News are aberrations to me, but I never saw beehaw discussions actually, I just heard a gossip and became biased.
Idk what to say in Beehaw form but I heard they hate communists, maybe because of lemmingrad, I totally understand the position but for me is no go.
Can you point me any piece of propaganda? Cause I still like aljazeera and am worried right now.
Israel government says it, "100% trusted". Images, ppl that worked there and archives of constructions "disproved nothing".
They never even had to disprove cause Israel had not proven anything in the first place, it was already a "trust me bro" statement, and even with proves mf talk shit.
There is MocaccinoOS based on gentoo, I used it when it was sabayon and was a great experience overall.
Thanks, the Grampa here are learning.
“democratically elected” leaders bribed by the PRC with its slave labour money.
Dude, you are just ignoring reality, you are accusing Chinese government of doing exactly what McCarthyism did all around the world, why were someone disagrees with Europe and US politics and align it is automatically "leaders bribed by the PRC"? Why in your mind third world countries can't have an strong opinion? Why they can't try even be socialist?
most of its citizens and officials have at least given up on imperialistic and national chauvinistic thinking and ideology
Where are you living my dude? France is just refusing to accept the new Niger government and trying everything to support their deposed ally. The entire western world is public denying Palestinians right to defend themselves and sometimes comparing Arabs as animals. Cuba embargo it is still a thing after 51 years after the missile crisis. Iraq invasion is 2003 Libya was put in a bloody civil war for groups backed by Obama government, creating the biggest migratory issue since the Jews with Nazism. In 2013, leaked documents PROVED that US spied several governments, including countries like Brazil. The judge that tried to imprison Lula had close ties with FBI. Elon Musk publicly expressed support of the Bolivian failed coup, nothing related to the fact that Bolivia has on of the biggest Lithium reserves.
I would like to point out that I fully recognise the West’s illegitimate and unethical interference in the second and third world in the past and present.
No you don´t, you explicit said above you don't.
But two wrongs do not make a right
I totally agree here but you should make accusations based in reality, not based on some idealization you have about the countries. The way you put is like China is a bloody dictatorship that colonizes ppl, and on the west we have beautiful democracies and help his friends to grow flowers. And pls, I beg you to not come with the "at least we can complain publicly" cause ppl starving are not heard anyway, ppl incarcerated in US are not heard, the mothers and childrens separated in the US border are not heard, the ppl leaving leaving wars in Libya and Siria, created by western backed groups are not heard, ppl with jobs living in the streets cause they cannot pay rent are not heard.
Reducing a complex country like China as a "dictatorship" is just creating an idealized view of the world to criticize someone that we don't know, to criticize a nation like they were incapable of self determination. You can disagree with everything but it is still a country that raised the life expectancy from 43 in 1950 to 2 years close to US in 2023. And exactly because this I disagree completely when you see western has abandoned chauvinism, cause I see this meme and your comment as chauvinist as fuck. Ppl here acting like Hong Kong was a Paradise before the handover to China, the issue with Hong Kong democracy dates from (oh the irony, the domain of the state by UK) before 97, where only around 40%-50% of the population was allowed to vote, and this remains until today.
Russia, Iran, North Korea and all the other current autocratic fuckers in the world
This is just a moral argument, US and Europe have great relationships with Saudi Arabia, a country that allegedly killed an journalist in foreign territory. And I ask you what would they do? Ally with US that have a think tanks like VOC, specialized in creating fake news about china? You also forgot, the entire South-America, Africa and Oceania are very close to China. Seems just like another country doing things that benefits them, exactly like everyone.
are not constantly trying to violently revise the legal international order
There is 750 US military bases in 80 countries in the world. US literally invaded 2 countries in the past 20 years and financed at least 3 coup attempts recently.
Tibet
You said you were not looking into the past but are getting Tibet from 1951 as an example. Lets talk about what US made to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia?
Again, you say you "recognize" but you don´t. You seems to say this only to keep your moral superiority, you chose to ignore what western did and KEEPS doing, just to reinforce your idealized version of the world. And I'm not even discussing that most of the western countries aren't even functional democracies. I don't think you do this on purpose, don´t take this as a personal attack, it's not my intention. But from a third world born, your take seems like an adolescent discussing geopolitics in the school. The world is not an Ideal place and all countries are fighting each other, military or not, and China is no exception, and the ideal world you seems to believe does not exists.
These weapons would not sell themselves.
Also, is not France a closer ally of US?
Luckily us that US, and UK have a history of respecting everyone's territory lol.
I cant understand how someone can see China as a threat but not US, UK or France, the 3 biggest colonial states right now (only if you are north-american, then I can understand).
Countries from South America and Africa are right now receiving technology from China, what was constantly denied by Europe and US to keep us as modern colonies, maybe this is why ppl from rich countries are so afraid of Communism
But they probably have a graphic that show a point up, this is all a CEO needs to change something like this. Specially now they are IBM
I felt it first on v120 mobile. Desktop is ok.