The one drawback to walking at night
Lunar @ _lunar @lemmy.ml Posts 0Comments 126Joined 2 yr. ago
Lunar @ _lunar @lemmy.ml
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You dress like a girl, experience what most female-presenting people experience, and you still don't fucking understand. Amazing. Tell me, was it women cat calling you and threatening to rape you? Or was it other men? If so, this bigotry wasn't bigotry against men, it was bigotry against a man who isn't masculine enough for other men's standards. Bigotry against a man thought to be a woman by other men. The problem once again remains toxic masculinity manifested in men, or to put it simply, men.
I'm angry for the discrimination you've experienced, but I'm not directing it toward women who are speaking about experiencing the same things you have at the hands of men, the way you are in this thread.
Your problem is that you are assuming when we say "men" we're including you and literally every other man in existence. Words have meanings and there's a reason why we're not specifically using "all."
You're not going to be treated well for being feminine-presenting until misogyny is defeated, and that isn't going to happen until guys like you stop being dismissive of women's experiences because you get defensive on behalf of all men for no fucking reason.
yes, a comment about your experiences and feelings as a man under a thread about women's experiences. i'm staying on the topic hand.
i shouldn't have to explain to you why going "okay but what about men" every time women talk about their experiences is problematic and dismissive.
When you make a sweeping statement about women being dishonest in their accusations, this is unfounded. Men are statistically extremely unlikely to be falsely accused of sexual violence by a woman. A man does not need to consider women to be a potential threat.
When you make a sweeping statement about men being violent against women, this is not unfounded. Women are statistically very likely to experience violence from men. That doesn't mean all or even a majority of men, but enough that women have to consider men to be a potential threat.
By trying to equate the two, you serve only to dismiss the credibility of very often real experiences from women. This harms women very much, especially in a society where they're already seldom believed by the people who need to hear them, such as the authorities.
It is not sexism toward men to point out that men are the ones committing violence against women specifically, it's a fact backed up by evidence. She said men because it's not a woman who is realistically going to be a threat to her. Men ≠ all men. Also, the national murder statistics point to men specifically being the problem so I hardly see what the difference is.
the thing is, nobody here is being dismissive of men's issues, because this thread is not a conversation about men's issues. men are coming in here and dismissing women's issues.
you guys never seem to talk about this on your own accord, but rather only when it's to bring down women for talking about the realities they face. it makes it difficult to believe that any of you here sincerely care about what you claim to.
the difference is your generalization isn't based in statistical fact. women who lie about false rape accusations (i assume that's what you're trying to get at here) are such an unfathomably small minority that no man ever has to live their life considering it. by saying that this is something women in do in equivalence to what women are saying men do, you're implying otherwise and implying the authenticity of countless women's experiences with sexual violence at the hands of men is invalid. experiences which are already seldom believed by the people who need to hear it.
on the other hand, a substantial amount of women experience sexual violence from men. it's statistically common enough that women have to live in fear and that conventional wisdom has long held that women should not go out at night alone, carry mace, etc. etc. etc.
bottom line is, it's a false equivalency that serves only to invalidate the reality women must face, and what you're trying to equate it to is that reality. you are harming women by doing this.
it does not harm men to point out what a significant enough amount of them to be dangerous to women at large are doing. you are not personally affected by women saying that men are violent or murderers, but women are personally affected by your exaggerated claims of dishonesty when they speak out against this violence that they are statistically far more likely to experience.
the way you describe men as men but women as females says everything i need to know about you and where you stand
"feminazi" is literally incel terminology, and this thread is full of people spouting off literal incel rhetoric, but go off king
when you totally know what words mean
never said i was a woman you dipshit, and i've already explained this to you. the argument is not flawed because the argument was never at any point "all men are doing this" like you keep suggesting for some dumbass reason. the evidence is not flawed either and you've yet to give a valid reason why you think it is. you aren't arguing in good faith, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's probably because you're an incel propagandist and your intention is to steer others into your hateful ideology, because the alternative is that you're the most dense motherfucker on the planet.
i didn't say it makes it okay or that i'm not sympathetic. this thread is full of "but what about men tho" takes to discredit the fear women reasonably have of being attacked by men. they don't have to worry about women nearly as much. the original post stands true regardless of whether or not men are also affected, which they are, and perhaps they should consider doing something about it instead of just dismissing the concern all together because it came from a woman.
come back when you're older
you literally said "women molest 13-year-old boys" as if it's a common occurrence the way men raping women is. the best you could do was cite one article about one case. you know exacly what it is you're doing. stop playing dumb.
except the implication kikutwo's trying to get across here isn't true at all. stop entertaining this garbage. one instance of something happen is not equivalent to an immense amount of something else happening.
it's a statistic fact that men commit an absurdly high amount of sexual violence against women. the best you could come up with is ONE article of ONE case demonstrating the opposite. go fuck yourself.
i don't see men as the problem, i see patriarchy as the problem. patriarchy causes disproportionate violence from men. observing the consequences that stem from larger social issues and how they affect you personally doesn't mean you deny the existence of the said issues. calling it misandry only serves to downplay the effects of those consequences and ultimately downplay the existence of their source.
onlyfans supplies the demand coming from men what the fuck are you talking about
also most women don't even fucking have an onlyfans you dumbass. why do incels always insert that into every conversation? what the hell is going on with you guys?
"This is hilarious. If you think you have it right, by all means keep at it. But when you finally realize what i’m saying, I have feeling you’re going to feel pretty embarrassed by how long it took you to get there." likewise, assuming you actually believe what it is you're saying and you aren't just some dork from 4chan trying to recruit fellow incels.
men are murderers of women whether you like it or not. that doesn't and has never meant all men, but enough of them do it that all women have the be afraid and as such the sentiment rings true. she's not going to be afraid of women murdering her because not only is it a statistical improbability by a considerable margin, where on a personal level she's unlikely to have ever heard of or witnessed extreme violence from other women, but most women would have a story to tell you about men.
she has reason to be afraid of men. she has reason to generalize because even if it isn't the majority, the number is great enough that any strange man could be a potential predator to her. and none of that fear is unfounded. men are socialized under patriarchy that encourages violent rage and discourages healthy expression of emotion. it causes the statistics. it causes the fear women rightfully and regrettably must have.
men are specified and the distinction is made not because she thinks all men are murderers, but because if someone were to harm her (and the chances of that are already way too high), it's almost certainly going to be a man, not a woman. but, i refuse to believe you're thick enough not to understand this. quit bullshitting.
tfw you can't see women as anything other than sex objects and you just assume everyone else is like you
Men, statistically, actually might kill you. Transgender people, statistically, aren't going to rape your kids. You're including yourself when women talk about negative experiences from men when you don't have to. Again, men ≠ all men including you.