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cowbee is being neither self-righteous nor arrogant, you got in over your head with this conversation and don't know what to do with yourself lmao
lemmy.world users and completely missing the point of every single argument
name a more iconic duo
Stop misrepresenting my arguments. I'm not saying men are murderers because men have murdered people in the past, it's because to this day the people responsible for the most murders (and other violent crime toward women) are men. It's specifically an issue with men!
I've also said everything I feel I need to. Frankly, I'm exhausted with you too. I hope you get a sense of perspective.
If I said cops are racist, would y'all really think I'm being biased against cops? After all, it's not all cops. 🙄
Saying that men aren't the cause of my problems when I'm talking about women's experiences with violence against them from men. They aren't my problems, but nevertheless I care about them.
whatever helps you sleep at night bro
When a particular demographic and no other demographic is doing a certain thing, it's not incorrect to point out the said demographic is doing that thing. I really don't know why this is so hard for you.
Hyperbole is exaggeration used for emphasis. When I say "fuckin' none" I don't mean literally zero, I mean an amount so indescribably tiny that it's negligible. I hope that clears things up for you.
You don't think this kind of rhetoric comes from a source? You've never heard of Ben Shaprio, Andrew Tate, and all the other misogynistic influencers taking the world by storm and promoting the anti-feminist views you and countless others are mindlessly repeating in this thread here? Even if you haven't, I guarantee you've picked up some of this shit from someone who has. There's no conspiracy, it's just a matter of how disinformation spreads.
I have evidence for my claims, which deal entirely in facts detailing that men in particular are the ones statistically likely to commit violence against women, and that therefore the original post is correct in its assertion that "men are murderers". Calling women sluts isn't even something that can be backed by evidence because it's just a misguided and misogynistic opinion on female sexual expression. There is no fact-based way to measure something like that.
You know, I'm beginning to think you aren't arguing in good faith here.
I didn't say they're not capable of rape, I'm saying it's statistically "fuckin' none" (i should have said extremely improbable i suppose, but do I really need to explain hyperbolic language to you next?) that they're going to rape your kids, unlike the infinitely more likely chance of men engaging in sexual violence toward women. Posting a single example of one transgender person committing rape does not negate that, and you have no reason to assert I don't believe transgender people are people. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Men are being driven to the right because of propagandists like you parroting MRA and incel rhetoric that is designed to appear empathetic toward men's issues (which are often everyone's issues under the current status quo being presented as men-only issues) while steering them away from understanding the roots of (patriarchy) and solutions to (feminism) the problem.
If right wingers used statistics they wouldn't come to the conclusions they do because reality has a left wing bias and statistics don't back up their claims.
There is actual evidence of discrimination against racial minorities from the authorities, not discrimination against men, of whom the authorities are predominately comprised of. And as I said before, on the matter of violence against women, the authorities' crime statistics are not the only evidence corroborating this. I've posted links to different sources throughout the thread if you care to look.
I think you must be assuming my gender because these are not my problems. I'm not a woman. I don't need to be to speak out against discrimination against women from men. And I agree, we can't fix this without the cooperation of men, of whom can hold other men accountable, because as you and many others in this thread have shown, men won't listen to women about this at all.
You, in particular, are not being called a murderer, because the OP clearly says "men" and not "all men." You are however contributing to the problem by being dismissive and making a discussion about women's safety about you, which is why women should be afraid of you since you are clearly self-serving and have no empathy for and understanding of their plight.
Please explain to me how women talking about violence from men affects you personally. I can tell you how exaggerating your claim is harmful toward women, since because of the disproportionate violence and sexual abuse they face from men, they often find themselves having to speak on their experiences, and often aren't believed thanks to unfounded biases like yours.
The difference is that your claim is grossly exaggerated to appear equal to the OP's claim, which actually has statistic validity. The OP's only mistake is specifying murder, which isn't the only threat of violence at the hands of men a woman would potentially (and has a good chance of having to) face walking alone at night, but anyone who isn't 12 should be able to understand the use of hyperbole in a motherfucking shitpost. The intention is clear. it is not safe for women because of violence from men.
Here are the statistics: https://rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-42/table-42.xls, https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/
Statistically, the number of transgender people who are going to rape your kids is fuckin' none. The chances of you being murdered at night are slim but a lot less slim, enough so that everyone (but especially women as they're often the targets of sexual violence) have to have to take it into consideration, and the ones doing it are almost entirely men. It becomes even less slim and downright common if you substitute murder with any other violence-based verb.
By choosing to ignore that men are the primary offenders of violence not just against women but in general, only viewing it as an individual failings, we won't be able to make any progress toward remedying the actual problem at hand. Men are socialized under patriarchy, it gives many of them (not all of them and I'm tired of having to say this) a poor sense of emotional regulation and an even poorer view of women as equal human beings who are deserving of fair treatment. You're the one who doesn't want to understand, and your point of view services the unjust status quo that thinks that crime should be addressed after it's committed rather than addressing the social conditions of the source.
It's as though you're plugging your ears and pretending inequality between men and women, and the issues that stem from that don't exist.
Men are at fault though. Women aren't the ones attacking women, men are. Almost entirely. Who are they therefore supposed to blame so that your fee-fees don't get hurt? And for the last fucking time, "men" doesn't mean all men including you.
No, because I also take into consideration the reasons for those statistics. Black people are demonstrably discriminated against and profiled by authorities, and are often suspected of, arrested and even convicted for crimes they did not commit.
The police, an entity dominated by men, do not unfairly discriminate against men. Men are actually committing these acts of violence against women, and we have non-police statistics that corroborate this, unlike the police statistics for racial minorities.
what attitude? cowbee has been nothing but polite in every reply to you. and what do you mean by label and deride? it's as though you're replying to the wrong comments because none of this makes any sense.