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To be fair, when your doing 40 and you are 50 feet from the crosswalk, you can't stop either.

In large building some code requires exterior doors to swing out as pressure build on a fire could jam the door closed. Also some exits require push bar which is swing out.

The in swing though makes sense for more smaller buildings and internal doors. Not wacking people and not getting blocked in seems the better method.

Where is freezing? That is a pretty important one particularly for driving or freezing pipes? So 40 is really hot, 20 is decent, 0 is freezing and -20 is cold and -40 is really cold. And water boils typically around 100.

I mean, ignoring zero in Calvin, it is all arbitrary when it comes to temperature. Just celsius likes to land some key numbers on human centric values.

Yes Celsius certainly seems more natural.

I mean I don't really care what temperature is based on but exactly what does 77 degrees exactly refer to in that it is better or worse than any other number?

Well said.

Why would they bust those guys? Why don't other parties busy those guys if they are doing something illegal? What exactly do you think the larger companies that build ceiling fans are doing that is illegal for that matter? Did you just make that up?

Oh I wish. Motors alone are super efficient. I wouldn't be certain how they would calculate fan efficiency exactly but I suspect it will be based on some heat to CFM ratio. A standard cocoanut like CSA will likely have to be engaged to do the testing. Is very expensive. I done stuff like this before.

Yes. What do you think it takes to treat and verify something like this? Typically it needs to be submitted to a standard institution that will do the testing and verify it meets code. That alone is quite expensive and time consuming. This before you submit any regulatory documents.

There may be some code but much of it is in the motor of which will already be approved. The mechanics is where much of this arises and you don't need engineers to design this is you have any talent. Also an engineer might be done in the design and that is the easiest part. But they don't engage into the regulatory part to get something approved. I have hoped engineers and that it typically bit what they do. If it is a firm, they may have people that can do this for you.

For example, I took a electronic device and made it intrinsically safe without engineers. It took about a year and 100,000 to get a double simple CSA sticker on it. In that year, that was a great deal of my own time to do this. Time less doesn't t trying to build up a business. Money spent that could better go to employees.

To reasons. One we have made an extremely complex legal system and two, for the same reason actors charge millions. Because they can.

As you said, they are not experts.

Except it just makes it even harder to navigate when you make the regulation even more complicated with special cases. People are wondering why costs are so high and why large corporations have so much control and market share. It is these corporations that encourage regulations like this.

Then don't complain when large corporations have near exclusive market share. Or are you fine with that?

You have any idea what it costs to get an approval and navigate this? You think a start-up can afford to hire very high priced people or services to do this? You think they have the time for small owners to focus on this when typically they are near break even to begin?

Completely wrong. You have no idea how difficult it is to get something like this approved. A start-up can't hire someone to navigate this framework and simply won't even try. They have typically very little money to begin and less time to spend months having their product tested or approved.

If you are fine with small companies not being able to compete with establish large corporations as you say, then I guess this is entirely fine. But don't complain about large corporations being the only suppliers and seeing high prices to the consumers. Something that is happening right now.

The cost to navigate and get approvals is very hard. And none of that time and money is covered by the government. From a guy that has to deal with government regulatory issues often, it is very difficult for a small business to navigate it. For a start up, often these guys are typically working just to break even. To hire someone to tackle the government regulatory process makes it impossible.

There is a reason establish companies are often the companies that are encouraging these regulations. They love it. Is very financially beneficial their industry is highly regulated.

I would bet their are some unique company's that make custom fans but with regulations like this they will have to have their fans certified before they can sell them. That is simply not possible when your making only few hundred a year.

But hey it is only the ceiling fan market they are considering. Nothing to do with my jobs so why shouldn't I support this?

You guys are the ones that think it is good but wondering why costs are so high now that we are now regulated than at any time in the past. Funny how that is working out.