Zeth0s @ Zeth0s @lemmy.world

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Thanks for taking the time to reply! But why are Christians and protestants separated in the figure?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/07/atlassian-to-axe-500-jobs-with-the-heaviest-of-hearts

Here your answer.

Non-American here. What is Christian and why Catholic, protestant, and orthodox Christians are not Christians?

This doesn't make much sense

Many are same level of nativity. Grown up kids pretending to be revolutionary to protest mum's political ideas

To be honest I am relieved to not have your approval on this. You all guys are so completely out of your mind, that agreeing with you would mean something is really wrong with me.

I'll ask my google friends, now that they have suddenly become proletariat, to stop by their proletarian loft by the lake with no offspring whatsoever to arrange seizing the means of production. We'll arrange it between their trip in costa Rica and their Kenyan safari. We wait for their tesla to fully recharge though.

They should first reinvest all their google stocks, as market do not value proletarian revolution, and the stock price might get an hit.

I heard fake communists were a bit crazy around here. But this whole thread is another level crazy

The whole piece that we are commenting is a guy who said that some people were not proletariat and now they are. It is a gut piece. He's the one deciding that some people are now randomly proletariat

From what I see, it's full of wannabe rebel communists, who claim to be communist because they like the idea of revolution. The type of people that think that wallstreetbets is communist because "they fight the system".

Marx and gramsci are turning in their grave reading some lemmy post

I grew up reading gramsci... You are here claiming that modern version of petite bourgeois are proletariat. We need the "we are not the same" meme.

Title of this post is literally the label I commented on: proletariat

Than read again my comment. You are not proletariat. I am not proletariat. A manager at your bank is not proletariat. A doctor is not proletariat. We face issues of life, but we are absolutely privileged compared to proletariat

I grew up in one of the poorest region of Europe. To study I had to live in 2 of the worst ghettos of UK. There you see proletariat.

Anyone who call google engineers proletariat is as out of touch as a wall street ceo.

And I am surprised how lemmy can be this out of touch with the real word

Those I know drive tesla and porsche, spend their long holidays traveling the world in expensive places, and have higher entry salaries than management in banks, with larger bonuses.

But apparently you guys know different engineers that struggle to survive... Fine with that. I might know only the lucky ones.

Otherwise we are all proletariat. Which is a news for me. I can finally complain with my "real proletarian" friends that I am as well a proletarian sharing the struggle, although I am definitely not.

Anyway, I will stop arguing. Apparently labeling google engineers as proletariat is an important topic in Lemmy, that users do with extra passion

I gain nothing other than I prefer politics to be well directed. Unions for tech jobs is clearly needed, and it is fine. As said I work for an unionized company.

Problem of putting together real working class and people like me, or Google engineers that are even in a better position, it's bad to orient policies that helps the real working class. I want everybody to enjoy the privileges of mine and google engineers. Putting as in the same bucket as deliveroo drivers is not good for society. As society, we need to really works on the struggle of real proletariat. As tech workers we are far from the priority. Tech workers need to unionize, yes, but they are not proletariat.

Even bourgeois class works. Even aristocrats... CEOs work.

Working is not what identifies proletariat.

I show solidarity, I have former colleagues working at google. They have all my solidarity, but they are not proletariat.

An average google engineer have more capital than most CEOs around the world.

They need to unionize, but they are not proletariat. My company is unionized, and we are not proletariat. There are unionized people owning multiple porsches. They are not proletariat. They simply find easier to live out of a good salary instead of the stress of having their own company

Google engineers have capital, both invested and cash. Enough to start their own company if they wanted. They simply decide that living as googler is easier and more convenient

I am not a gate keeper. I work in an unionized company in fintech. But I also recognize that calling me "proletarian" is detrimental for battles of real proletariat. Because I have a better salary than a medical doctor with a 5th of the stress. And I don't make near google salary. I have former colleagues who went to google... They are not absolutely struggling. They need to unionize? Surely. But let's keep it real, use words properly, because there are people in the current economy who are struggling. Proletariat means that the only "capital" owned by someone is their children. It evolved to mean working class, where only capital is ability to do a work.

Google engineers have real capital invested in stock market and pension funds, a great salary and benefits, transferable skills, and their biggest asset is their knowledge. They need to unionize only to fight back to mass lay offs, and have more saying on the company direction. Other than that they are doing pretty fine.

Calling google workers proletariat is out of touch and borderline insulting to real working class.

3-month salary for a junior at google is what a "real" proletarian do in a full year, with addition of pension, stock options, benefits and bonuses

Do people on 4chan have fun? Qanon and pol are not so funny tbh

I did a bit in big pharma... But it was 90% paper work unfortunately.

Probably a smaller firm would have been better, but I was tired of lack of job security and I went for safe bets.

I am now in fintech. We still struggle with corporate mindset, particularly IT, we are highly regulated as pharma, but at least we are not stuck in the 90s as I was when working with SAS in pharma. And salaries are slightly higher.

At the end you don't need much to be successful outside academia. In academia it is literally a scammy lottery. Outside, you just need to be a bit pro active. Standards are pretty low. The biggest difficult is to convince hr that you are good fit without industry experience. HR people unfortunately do not think as reasonable beings. They wouldn't do hr if they were reasonable. But once you manage to start, even the most "complex" job in industry is pretty trivial, you'll be more than enough doing the bare minimum. If you put a bit of effort (even not much), you'll be very successful