LeadersAtWork @ Xanis @lemmy.world

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You don't care that much. Yet you'll spend excess time and effort arguing about your perception of bad journalism. Let's sum this up:

1. You refuse to believe any news outlet or story.
2. You refuse to share one you do trust, stating you trust none of them.
3. You refuse to do your own research. ANY research.
4. During all of this you find excuses and pull people into bad faith arguments.

Right then.

So you won't accept the research done by others and won't do it on your own.

Okay, so go do some research on your own and get back to us.

I'll add misleading verbiage to that short-list. We are not the "same party" or "blueMAGA". Not only is it insulting, it is also purposefully spreading misinformation, and is worth fighting against.

That's unfortunate. We really do need voices that are willing to speak out, even if it means being looked at as some naysayer. It just has to be done with reason and patience, which can be tough to achieve.

Anyway, I appreciate you letting me know! A little bit of tapping away on my phone to maybe change a mind for the better is a small price. Even if most of those who do come here with an agenda are unlikely to listen. Ah well! I tried!

No, we're not like MAGA. I can't speak for everyone in this case, I am sure there are some who will take it too far. That's part of the nature of divisiveness. That said, let me make a list of what those on the left do agree on:

1. Universal healthcare
2. Positive, even progressive, policies and direction
3. Federal support of the 4-day work week
4. Stronger emphasis and follow-thru on climate change
5. Ending the war in Ukraine (not to the disadvantage of the Ukrainians or advantage of Putin) and the situation in Gaza
6. Slashing of the military budget (goes alongside universal healthcare)
7. Liveable wages and reasonable new childcare leave for any parent
8. Affordable education
9. Affordable life-saving drugs/life-changing drugs such as anti-depression meds AND universal acceptance of therapy
10. Businesses, owners, CEOs, and the billionaire class being held accountable
11. Trump. Prison. NOW
12. Increase on 1% taxes
13. Women's reproductive rights
14. Minority rights
15. Gerrymandering limitations or outright ban
16. Burning down the electoral college
17. More than two viable political parties

I'm sure some stuff is missing. Ya'll have to forgive me, I did my best off top of my head.

Somewhat more controversial is how some of us are tired of averting our eyes and turning our gazes away. Moreover, the Republicans play dirty. They fling shit, set fire to conversations, attempt to hide in plain sight in forums claiming to be someone else, will break laws if it means hurting someone they don't like, and they may even attempt to overthrow a country. Let me just grab the citation on that last one.

We are not like MAGA. We are sick of the shit. I was one of the people who pushed for us to stop being so damned tolerant BECAUSE tolerance is a BIG reason why we're where we are now. We believe in what's on that list for the benefit of all. Republicans fight against it for the benefit of the few, and more importantly the injuring of those they do not like.

So when you call us blueMAGA. When you claim we are no better. Yeah, Homerian, we tell you to suck it, because it's not true.

Btw, if Harris-Walz turned and started spouting MAGA bs, we'd turn on them in a heartbeat. We do not want a Trump or a MAGA in sheep's clothing.

You have though. In other threads, for other reasons. We have interacted. I recently re-read the Odyssey, so your name stuck with me. I know you get commonly downvoted and challenged, which is why I'm trying to be, well...hopefully understanding and not condescending. It's a fine line to walk and one I'm not sure I'm wise enough to navigate accurately, something you in fact point out. I'm not really sure how to fix that.

The reason I responded is because we aren't blindly supporting Harris, and many of us are tired of the shit flinging the Right tends to rely on. This is why I approached you here. It isn't necessarily that we don't agree with facts you may present, it's that you appear to us to be attempting to discount a hope we have that Harris and now Walz represents.

You do you. I just see you comment on here often and I feel as if it must be disheartening to constantly be getting downvoted. Challenge the status quo, express unpopular opinions. If you want people to not get defensive though, try to meet them on their level a bit. Unlike MAGA, we are reasonable. We will criticize Harris. It's just at the point where the alternative is so incredibly, maliciously evil that we, and I, legitimately fear them succeeding. We bite back because for years we were tolerant. Enough is enough.

I don't know if you'll listen or understand. I just put myself in your shoes and wanted to express what I feel must be some reasons why you seem to be disagreed with so often. Whatever others might believe, we need people who will speak out. This is just my lame attempt to make your words reach people more clearly.

Homerian, I've been rather patient. We both deserve some level of respect, if only as fellow human beings. So when I ask people to move along it's because I don't feel you'll have your mind or opinions changed by words on an online forum, largely due to how you don't typically listen rationally.

Among other reasons, most of us who lean Left recognize that there are commonalities and where comparisons can be made between the radicalization of the Right, and some of the more radical positions those on the Left can take. We also know not every position taken on any side is inherently good or bad. For the most part we make judgment calls, which is why there are so many groups with even small differences in opinion not-on-the-Right and why we bicker. It's a weakness we have as a larger community.

However, we are NOT MAGA. We do not subscribe willfully to a cult without first being tricked, nor do we go out of our way to cause harm. If Harris or Walz or Obama or fucking Abraham Lincoln came back and began yelling about how they will become King and suppress minorities, etc, we would absolutely turn against them. We follow those we follow because right now there aren't many choices, something we intend to change. We see that this is a step in the right direction, and a big one at that. Despite our honestly very valid hatred of Trump and the modern GOP, we want what's best for everyone in this country, including those on the Right. This is why we challenge you constantly. Because you're someone that wants to speak out and we strongly feel that despite your arguments you are not making strong cases, and certainly appear to be working against this greater good we are attempting to establish.

I wouldn't have spent this time if I don't feel strongly that Harris-Walz is the right direction. Nor would I stand so often if there wasn't something very real to lose. I just wish you, and others like you who don't speak up, would understand that. Y'know?

Don't bother with this one, folks. I recognize the name and that should tell you enough.

Move along now.

Move along.

HA! Could you imagine if we all got together and bought red hats and Trump lost? There would be fucking chaos. The morons would be in the streets screaming about how they saw nothing but MAGA voters.

I agree. Though have a random small chance of the gun disappearing when you go to use it, with dialogue.

You're expecting things to never change, or if they do it'll be for the worst. I can't blame you for that. Thing is, there has already been change for the better. This is why we are still here and still fighting. Why we still have hope. If all those just like you joined us, imagine what we could do. All you'd have to do is expend some effort - the very same energy being used to express hate, dislike, and skepticism.

I am sorry you feel this way. It must really not feel great.

Joined Aug. 22nd, 2024. First post was expressing desire to be a moderator in a communism sub. Expresses support for nations like China specifically when in relation to Taiwan. Supports other odd situations and events. Has a name "JohnBrown". If it wasn't for the fact that you're so unlikeable, I'd make an argument that you're a plant to try and twist narratives and convince communities of certain ideologies.

No, we aren't. We're hoping. Which, much as you might dislike it, is a huge reason why we fight.

Yup! We can return the favor by supporting Republicans who follow reason and act in good faith. We all recognize that in some places getting anyone left leaning elected is practically impossible. So what we can do is back a good red ticket instead. Just one of many courses we could take in the near future. If you squint, this also has the potential to lead into a three party system later on.

That said, accountability should be part of the game they're playing.

I've had it for AGES. I agree that ads have been a bit much and many websites almost unusable without Origin. YT Premium though has been fairly solid with a couple hiccups.

Admittedly, I use YouTube as my primary source of entertainment. So the price is easily justified vs other services.

It works both ways and they know that. They're aware that those of us that do care also know we need to beat Trump. Our consequences are greater than theirs. The push for Harris-Walz is in acknowledgement of this and an opportunity for us to have a voice.

Trump enters THE seat of power and your words won't only fall on deaf ears, there may be provisions created to silence you as well. You obviously don't like it, this is how it is. We have to do it one step at a time. That is the current limit of our voice, and the step is pointing towards stopping Trump and dissolving the modern Republican Party.

Right now it's either help support the people who may listen, or let in those that have literally said they will make it worse. Stubborn as you are I'm sure you can weigh the odds on this one.

Well, at least we know you're not vegan.

Pfffffft. Bruh.

Come on now. These aren't even loosely related.

We really need you to pull your head out of your ass. The extremely simple reality follows, and I am speaking for every reasonable person:

The situation in Gaza is not supported by us. It's evil. It should not be happening. We condemn it. However, we also recognize that around our elections some war or conflict occurs. Moreover, possibly more than any other time in modern history, we are educated.

It is precisely the idea of malicious and evil persons intent on causing as much harm as possible why we must turn inward and focus on stopping more damage from occurring. Harris, Walz, Biden, they are not the same. We need you to back up and look at the larger picture. In fact, traditionally Republicans have used wars and conflict to distract the Left leaning voting bases. They know their supporters will, quite literally if you let them, go in guns blazing in support of war, all of them yelling some false patriotic zing of a bad battle cry. Meanwhile, the rest of us condemn it in various ways and that breaks us apart.

Look, I understand your frustration. To you it must appear as if we are okay with people dying. We're not. We just accept that if Trump, and more importantly the people who coerce their way into certain positions, are allowed to take the Presidency that it will get worse. Much worse. We aren't willing to let that happen due to ethical or moral quandaries. As gross as it is to have to turn inward and focus here when people are being killed. We have a job to do.

Fail that and we may as well apologize to the entire world.