Wes4Humanity @ Wes4Humanity @lemm.ee

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Yeah I don't totally disagree there... This would be a great time to force it though... If it was someone like Romney rather than Trump then a lot of centrist Dem/Reps would probably shift to him, but with Trump, I don't think they'll do that, at least not enough to matter... They'll take anyone other than Trump. So AOC doesn't cost us all that many votes from the center (under these particular circumstances) but she WOULD bring in millions of young progressive votes that will probably just stay home or vote 3rd party if there's no progressive for them to vote for.

Lol... God that man is an imbecile... But that all just sounds like standard Trump word vomit. He certainly could be in cognitive decline, but how could anyone tell? He's always been just so effing stupid.

Yep probably... But that's the wrong move... Those people aren't about to switch to Trump just because they're uncomfortable with a black woman... Trump is just too much of a Trump you know? Like if it was Romney running as R... Then yeah, but Trump is different. The people who "always vote" are going to vote blue no matter who... It's the young progressives that need to be swayed to vote at all. And there are significantly more young people who could be swayed to show up than there are centrists who might switch to Trump instead of a black woman.

No one who was going to vote for Biden is about to vote for Trump just because Kamala is a black woman... Stop worrying what the Republicans are going to think... They were going to think that about any "lib", and it doesn't matter because they were never going to vote for a Dem. The only people we need to worry about are the young progressives who still have no one to vote FOR and might stay home because of it... Throw AOC on the ticket and a lot of them will get excited enough to show up.

Michelle/AOC would crush it... That would be awesome

Besides the obvious magas and Republicans, who would never vote blue anyway, Kamala will be weakest with progressive young people. And I know people like to say there's no use going after those people (now half the voting population!) because they don't vote, but they actually DO vote when you give them someone worth voting for. Their numbers are also growing, while the centrist boomer population is declining.

Yeah but I doubt subconsciously sexist/racist people would be willing to vote for Trump... They're stuck with whomever the DNC runs

Biden wasn't just "too old," he was showing clear signs of dementia... Trump just shows clear signs of narcissistic personality disorder and low IQ, but that's not new.

Kamala/AOC ticket could win it I think

Bernie would have crushed Trump. Millions of young people who stayed home or voted 3rd party would have turned out for him. Everyone who voted for Clinton also would have shown up for him because they were voting against Trump anyway. Blue no matter who right?

When most of the boomers are gone the vast majority of people will be progressive. The only way to win will be to go left and it'll be obvious sooner or later.

Progressives aren't Democrats. Do people get mad at conservatives for not voting for Democrats? Why would anyone show up to vote when there's no candidate representing them? They didn't show up for Obama midterms because Obama turned out to be the same old same and they figured it out quickly. Let alone all the shills that would have been running. Give them someone to vote for and they'll show up. Continue to go after an ever shrinking center and continue to lose until all the boomers are dead and then it won't matter anyway.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I think we're just going to end up having to agree to disagree... It would be nice if the boomers came left to start setting up the next generations for success, but whether they do or don't, they are on their way out, and progressives will inherit the party sooner or later.

Nah... Soon someone will come forward with a big left platform, and this time Clinton and her minions won't be there to rig the primary. The DNC will have more and more young people and when the time comes they will shift the whole party dramatically to the left. The boomers will finally be the minority and we'll get an actual left party.

Let me try to explain an alternative view of the history you present: Clinton and Gore were before millennials could vote, let alone zoomers... So yes, maybe back then going center was the correct move. However, both of these generations are overwhelmingly progressive (particularly economically, ie tax the rich out of existence) The first chance millennials really got to vote they showed up for Obama. 10 million "extra" voters that year... They didn't come from the center full of people who always vote, they came from the young left full of people who had never voted but were excited by Obama's progressive message... Sadly he was a full of shit shill working for the oligarchy just like the rest of them, but millennials were new and didn't realize that.
Next, the new generations went all in for Bernie, also far more progressive than most of the DNC, but Clinton2 had rigged the primary. So instead of allowing for someone people were actually excited about, she decided it was her turn and in her hubris and arrogance cost us all 4 years of Trump. Even if she did stick her pinky toe out a little left, she was competing (in the minds of the young progressive generations) with someone who was truly left and was willing to fight the oligarchy. Clinton refused to even acknowledge the distorting role money plays in politics. She and her minions spat in young progressive's faces in order to chase the right and then were somehow surprised they didn't show up to vote for her. Then, Trump was so horrible, that enough people held their noses and voted for Biden. Maybe, some of those people were Republicans who preferred him to Trump, but I'd bet he can thank young people for his win more than Republicans crossing over. And for both Clinton2 and Biden we were told "just vote now and fix the system when we're safe" and both times it was bullshit. They never intended to fix the system, because the oligarchy likes it the way it is, and they work for the oligarchy. Now, millennials are all grown up, and zoomers are mostly voting age. They are overwhelmingly progressive and want a candidate who will truly fight the oligarchy, not take bribes from it. And this election they will equal or outnumber the boomers and older generations, but still, the DNC chooses to run to the right... To ignore half the population because they are young, or because most of the DNC is so old they don't even realize they are outnumbered. A strong anti oligarchy Bernie type candidate would see such overwhelming turnout from the young progressive generations that I honestly believe it could be the end of the 2 oligarchy parties forever. Which is why they'll push to the right until the very last Boomer dies, and the next generations can replace them with a better system.

Agreed... But Biden hasn't used up his limit... We also need cognitive testing or just plain old age limits

The left "doesn't show up" when Dems go right BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE TO VOTE FOR ON THE LEFT. If the Dems would go left, and not 'tiny little peak out from behind big oil money' left, but full blown 'here's the progressive version of project 2025 and we're going to FIGHT hard for it, even if it means ditching some of our conservative members' left, then millennials and zoomers would show up. Millennials and zoomers are overwhelmingly progressive and they show up in greater numbers than any generation before them at their age... and that's WITHOUT ever having had someone on the left to actually vote for.

Right... They basically never win... So maybe they should try a different strategy because going for the right isn't working... Clearly they aren't finding the votes there. Clinton was a different time before millennials and zoomers could vote. Obama got 10 million "extra" people to actually show up and vote... And you know what? They didn't come from the center.

They'd win in a landslide if they brought forward a plan to make this happen... But they'd rather lose the election than lose their sugar daddy corporations.

Seriously though... How the fuck does Israel have so much influence? Like, okay the West needs a puppet state in the middle east for... Reasons... But how does the puppet state end up in control of everything?

Okay... I deserved that... But please do try to get out and talk to actual humans about voting... The people we need to show up aren't on forums like this. They're getting wasted at college parties, or watching sports 24/7, or whatever the kids are doing these days

Edit: on this forum you're just preaching to the choir

I wish he could get this... I'd love to see the plan for HOW he plans to get anything like it through Congress... What Dems will stand against it? How will he deal with them? Then make the message "elect Dems and we WILL do this... Any Dems who didn't get in line will be out of the party fast" something like that... Otherwise it's just bs fluff to pretend he'll do things for working people