Well I am glad you see a distinction between Gandhi and Hamas. Some of you guys I don't think are capable of making that distinction.
But no, nothing Israel has ever done justified Oct. 7th. Hamas did not do that to liberate the Palestinian people. They did it because Iran paid them to and they knew it would kill a lot of their own people.
Gandhi's goal wasn't to get as many Indians killed as he could. Imagine if Hamas actually took inspiration from Gandhi though.
So if the political goals of the Palestinian government are to kill as many Palestinians as possible, why are the anti-Israel protests not a joint protest of both Israel and Palestine?
Why is the role of Hamas minimized?
You may not know the answer or be willing to say it, but I certainly know the answer and am under no obligation to not say it.
Palestinians are more oppressed by Israel than they were before Oct. 7. Hamas offering revenge has weakened Palestine, without even needing to mention Hamas themselves are oppressors of the Palestinian people as well.
Palestinians have never been further from a 2 state solution than they are now, directly due to Hamas' actions.
You suddenly being aware of the struggle facing the Palestinian people because of Hamas hasn't done anything to help the Palestinian people. It's only radicalized you into supporting right wing theocratic terrorism committed against Jews. Unless you want to tell me you personally have taken concrete steps to helping Palestinian people ag the behest of Hamas. I would love to hear about it.
The term Palestinian mandate is in reference to carving out the region, not carving the people out of existence. The British also sent Christian zionists before they sent Jews. The Palestinian civil war which led to Israeli expansion also was after the British ceded the territory.
If you want to accuse others of acting in bad faith because they know the historical context better than you, that's fine, but if you want to open the door to making this a discussion about bad faith, let's go for it.
Let's start with people like you on here, loudly proclaiming to be American leftists, who claim to support the land back movement in support of our indigenous people, while at the same time claiming that the one historical act of "landbacking" that happened is by its nature an act of genocide.
If the land back movement was to gain any ground, to be ideologically consistent, you would have to claim that native Americans were genociding white Americans and that they weren't even located in the region before white Americans, which is what you just claimed about Jews.
So yes, if you are unable to confront this, please block.
Except complete destruction wasn't a card on the table before Hamas.
Israel is also not the ones who suspended all future Palestinian elections.
Israel isn't grooming Palestinian children i to working as Hamas terrorists by producing children's cartoons blaming Jews for homosexuality, etc.
Israel can be wrong in their response, 100%. But we need to be clear: Hamas is only capable of getting Palestinians murdered. They serve no other purpose.
So you can't name a single decision made by the Palestinian government that has improved their life over the last 20 years rather making things worse for them?
No, Hamas, beliefs and actions are not irrelevant to the situation we are currently in. That is foolish.
Describing terrorists committing a terrorist act as a "political" action is incredibly forgiving of the behavior of terrorists.
An elected government invading and attacking a different country is an act of war, regardless of whether the nation they attacked is militarily superior. Hamas made a decision to go to war, and claiming they didn't is factually wrong.
I don't personally feel any need to justify the behavior of any right wing religious fundamentalist organization against their hostages. The fact that we are in a situation where two organizations fitting that description are behaving badly and you have chosen a side says something about you that it doesn't me.
Can you name a single policy or decision over the last 20 years that Hamas has had that makes you believe they aren't themselves attempting to get Palestine wiped off the map?
In my mind, if Hamas were themselves trying to rule, they would be making decisions for themselves and not doing what Iran tells them to.
So your evidence of the conspiracy that Israel's policy is to murder hostages themselves to frame Hamas is that 9 months ago an Israeli unit killed 3 hostages while not realizing they were hostages?
That's pretty weak justification to align yourself on the side of Hamas here. I think you know that though.
Right, but you know hamas believes jews should be wiped from this earth, and you know this current war began because of specific steps Hamas chose to take to attempt to make that goal a reality, you know the mistreatment they have displayed towards the hostages.
So for you to say that there is a 99% chance that Hamas is innocent of these killings, that's a specific choice you are making for conspiricism.
Well I am glad you see a distinction between Gandhi and Hamas. Some of you guys I don't think are capable of making that distinction.
But no, nothing Israel has ever done justified Oct. 7th. Hamas did not do that to liberate the Palestinian people. They did it because Iran paid them to and they knew it would kill a lot of their own people.
Gandhi's goal wasn't to get as many Indians killed as he could. Imagine if Hamas actually took inspiration from Gandhi though.