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Articles like this kill me because the nudge it's kinda sorta racist to draw images like the ones they show which look exactly like the cover of half the bollywood movies ever made.

Yes, if you want to get a certain type of person in your image you need to choose descriptive words, imagine gong to an artist snd saying 'I need s picture and almost nothing matters beside the fact the look indian' unless they're bad at their job they'll give you a bollywood movie cover with a guy from rajistan in a turbin - just like their official tourist website does

Ask for an business man in delhi or an urdu shop keeper with an Elvis quiff if that's what you want.

Put in western or Texas and that's what you get, the west is a huge area even just of America but the word is linked to a lot of movie tropes and stuff so that's what you get.

This is also only when the language is English, ask in urdu or Bengali and you get totally different results, in fact just use urdu instead of Indian and get less turbans or put in Punjabi and you'll get more turbuns.

Or just put turban in the negatives if you want

Yeah but if we pretend that Palestine is secretly full of progressive snd peace-loving people then we don't need to deal with the complexity of reality and can just blame Isreal for everything!

Ha no one said it was a conspiracy, it's just s meme recirculating for engagement, that's just how the world works now.

But also it's a taking point question, of course it's gong to spark debate snd memes, it's silly to say that only one side gets to make jokes or have feelings.

This is logical and valid, women are people this means many are bad in a range of ways. The most likely people to be on dating sites are those less likely to be selected, this is very simple math.

That's not a very logical argument, if you're on a dating site you've already filtered out all people not looking for a partner, it's like being surprised that everyone who comes to your sandwich shop happens to be hungry.

Women who would genuinely rather be in the forest with a bear are not on tinder, though there is of course a bar where if you're the only option it's still possible that you won't meet someone's lowest requirements - this causes the sludge effect where anyone above the average bar is removed quickly while those below tend to get other sludge stuck to them (toxic behaviors develop due to failure or trauma) which makes future selection less likely.

The real key is the more experience someone has with dating sites the less you should trust their opinion or advice, by the time someone is posting on r/tinder they're already likely to have failed consistently for some time.

I think this is part of the issue with the bear question, we instinctively know that when someone is ranting about women not being able to hold a conversation that it's not a reasonable view but we also need to start to recognize that 'I surround myself with exaggerated and often fabricated stories about how awful X is and only engage in spaces where counter argument is rejected' will cause bias that negatively affects people snd communities.

Are you suggesting there are no racist white women?

It's not proving reality it's demonstrating a feeling, but as most people aren't answering honestly, it's just demonstrating the cultural environment. The most we can really say is women feel comfortable picking the obviously funny / polemic answer.

Haha yeah the unified feminist agency released this with a clear objective. It's not engagement bait in the endless clout wars designed with nothing more than a desire to improve channel metrics and rise in the algo...

Don't be silly, I'm a sensible liberal feminist I know women are too stupid, feeble, and detached from reality to be able to affect the real world where men are solely in charge of everything important!

Yes people, if you take the very reasonable belief that women are people then you have to accept they're capable of bad things too and of being mistaken, manipulated, and manipulating.

Yeah i asked my very feminist gf and she laughed assuming it was a Jordan Peterson gotcha, like 'yeah obviously no one picks the bear but that doesn't remove centuries of systemic gender inequality...' then ten minutes later she was saying 'oh God, what is wrong with people? Why are they like this?!'

Then I got a very enjoyable hour long rant about performative feminism as a way of avoiding engaging with real issues that require personal effort and self-reflection. That liberal feminism has become a way of reverting to the status quo, and that thought terminating cliches are so popular because people don't want a better world if it comes with responsibilities, and, well then we did get sidetracked laughing at guys who went wild and made it clear that you really don't want to be stuck in a forest with them if not just because of the whining.

Also we went down a rabbit hole of psycho women that you're probably better off picking the bear than - describing their six different guns and shoot first policy, or one saying she doesn't slow down if she sees people crossing the road, even on a crossing, because it could be a trap. People are all sorta of crazy.

Honestly this is one of those times I'd love to live in a multiverse so I can go see how slight variations in this question change responses, like if it'd been human or bear, black man or bear, etc... I think the performative answers and responses would be very different.

also I want to know mountain lion or bear, people seriously underestimate mountain lions, also bear or adverse weather conditions, bear or having to drunk contaminated water because you didn't bring enough, bear or not having navigation tools and knowledge how to use them... these are the real killers. Would you rather have a twisted ankle in the woods with a bear or with a man? There are so many fascinating ways to view and change the question, it could become the internets next trolly problem.

You can't make a statement about a group of people then act surprised when they think it's about them and want to respond to it.

I feel that women are too emotional to work in businesses because of stories I heard and having emotional women in my life... You're happy to say that's a valid sharing of lived experience and any woman that'd disagree is only proving the point?

Of course I don't belive that, what I do believe is that we're all people with complex situations who all play into socially constructed roles where we both police and challenge cultural ideals.

Of course women often play onto toxic masculine behavior and reinforce cultural divisions, of course women often cause trauma which causes emotional destabilizing, of course women shape society for better and worse. Women are people in society, pretending they aren't doesn't make sense especially from a feminist perspective.

Shaving doesn't induce hair growth

Sure, yet even with your very biased telling of events it's still nothing like the situation in Cuba

Do you think Europe doesn't have pollution in agricultural run off?

It's so difficult trying to get peopl here in non-america to care about real problems when everyone is under the impression america is the only place with problems.

But that's how Alex Jones scam works, he read the frogs gay headline and then started ranting about how the global elite are trying to destroy masculinity with hormones in the water because only real men vote right...

Because it's the easiest way to avoid having to consider changing opinions and behaviors

I guess the people pushing this don't understand elections because Russia hasn't had real ones in so long? Or is it just the new wave of idealistic anti intellectualism? 'I have a moral cause so I don't need to meaningfully interact with reality!'