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Are you serious? We just went through a ton of examples in the post above that we're all replying to.

And it's not even an exhaustive list. I've seen others parrot the idea that Ukraine was doing a genocide in Donbas, a Russian accusation without proof, for example. This is what I mean about you guys skeptical about every side of the story except for Russia's.

Also, which side do you think the Russians are supporting in the US? Because it's not the left...

It's in the post from the person above that we're all replying to.

https://lemmy.zip/comment/2294680

Possibly the most egregious yet: apparently the Bucha massacre was a hoax. Remember all those videos we saw of Russian soldiers gunning down unarmed civilians? Apparently they all must have been doctored, or were actually Ukrainian soldiers dressed up as Russian soldiers gunning down their own people.

That was initiated by pro-Russian insurgents and has led to lots of death on both sides. It's not like the opposing forces haven't been bombarding either. It's like if England started attacking the North during the US Civil War because they retaliated against the South attacking them, and of course they both speak English. I'm guessing you also believe in the Russian propaganda line about a genocide happening there, even though there's no proof? It was obviously just an excuse for Russia to get more control over Ukrainian territory after their Russian puppet President got ran out of the country.

Putin had denazification as a demand. That's not super clear at all. His clear demands are Ukraine staying out of NATO, which it was already up for agreeing to do, and surrendering territory, which is obviously the one it doesn't want to do, because no country would want to do that. That's the problem one but hopefully they come to something eventually.

It's bizarre to me that most hexbear users are less anti-war than some protestors and TV journalists that live in Russia itself who want their own country to leave. I agree with you guys on so many other stuff, but I can't get behind supporting the aggressor in a war, especially as they're shelling hospitals and apartment buildings.

Well it's keeping them having some sovereignty over their own country instead of it falling in 3 days like everyone thought. Does Ukraine want to lose a bunch of their territory? That's the question and considering how hard they're fighting, it doesn't look like they do. If the average Ukrainian wants the ability to defend and keep their home, then I want that for them, too.

And war is unpredictable. Maybe Russia will lose the appetite for war soon, or maybe Ukraine will want to negotiate (but I'm sure they want to take what they can before then). Winter is coming.

Right, but they didn't full out invade, like Russia is doing. They definitely considered it, though lol. And it would've sucked for the people of Cuba if they did, just like it did for Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, or the populace of every other country that's ever been attacked.

Fair enough. If you're defending yourself, then I suppose that's true. Which is incidentally another reason Ukraine has the right to defend themselves.

You think Russia should keep sending conscripts to die or should they just leave?

That's basically the same line Russia is using in Ukraine. Just with some added "denazification" buzz words.

But are they supporting Russia through money or tanks or drones or intelligence? No? Then they're on the sidelines. Like they said.

You guys say that but I've never seen a hexbear criticizing Russia or their side of the story, only accept it as gospel. You say you don't do that but then blindly accept their time line for the Bucha massacre or pretend their reasons for attacking a sovereign nation are real or ignore a bunch of irregularities in their 2014 referendum voting. Russia leaving is apparently never an option when they talk about possible solutions, only Ukraine giving up territory. You say the world isn't only good guys and bad guys but because when the things you guys say are actually analyzed, it's obvious that it's a lie. The west is bad, everyone else is less bad. Therefore in any thread with Ukraine, because the west is on their side, they are the bad guys. Even though Russia also has a corruption problem and Nazi problem and has a history of invading their numbers for decades. But they have the bigger military, so I guess all their neighbors have to give up their best territory to Russia for free and their citizens shouldn't expect to do anything about it and the the rest of the world has to let them.

Meanwhile, many of the people who criticize Russia in this attack don't dickride the West at all and hate plenty of things about it and will say it in the same thread or tons of others. Like they should definitely decide whether they'll fully support Ukraine or not, but we all know that to do that they'd have to get more support from their voters, which is often more difficult said than done, especially since Ukraine isn't actually in NATO.

Here's one. It's a business insider article disputing the Russian line on the Bucha massacre.

Talk about swallowing lies after regurgitating Russian propaganda? You are all blinded yourself by your hate for the US that you are willing to deny massacres or genocides.

This is like saying that the US should've invaded Cuba when they started taking nationalizing property instead of doing what the other person said and accepting refugees and asylum seekers. There's always another way besides war and violence.

Yay! Finally! Hope that means they figure it out soon.

Lol was just thinking the same thing.

Ya, it still has a backlog of great answers to questions from the past, but hopefully as new questions are asked and new issues are brought up, Lemmy can grow that backlog as well.

You don't need car insurance until you actually buy a car so you're good there. It will require being renewed every few years but that's a lot cheaper than the auto insurance. I say grab it. Like you said, could be useful if you ever need to drive someone in case of an emergency, or want to take over on road trip or something like that.

I know it's become a meme, but because capitalism. I'm surprised gamers more gamers aren't against it because it only ever makes our favorite hobby so much worse.

Glad to see The Onion's still got it lol

Thanks!

Now if only I could get my group to meet up more than once every 3 months...