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  • It is the single change everyone can make with the biggest impact. But don't worry, a) you are old enough that you don't matter b) you will see the future vegan because we would have to grind everything else to 0 if we want to support the animal industry, it alone will increase temperature by 2°C and from 3°C and upwards there is no more animal industry possible due to harvest loss and increased energy demand. Just chill and think you have done more than every vegan because you are not driving a car, well done, you are the one with no car.

  • I have not power over 10%, like you said. But have the power over me, and my choices and for what I want to be responsible. 10% is just 800.000 single persons making a choice and not hiding from responsibility.

    It is not going away and will only be more urgent and more visible. You don't have to do it alone if you want to have more impact. Join groups and organizations, go out and protest. If you want change it does not have to stop at your plate. Go out and talk to people about why you are vegan, be the change you want to see.

  • Look at the election in the Netherlands, the government had declared plans to reduce the nitrogen poisoning by the animal industry, the animalfarmers made a campaign and the people voted for a conservative right "farmers party"

    We need to show support or those who are against change will win.

  • https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

    Mind you, this is from 2 years ago: If we stopped all fossil fuels at that time, our diet would alone increase the temperature by 2°C

    It is vastly proven by studies that vegans not only act different in regards of their diet but also in every other aspect, so you are not special. Vegans don't need more cars than any other group.

    Even if we could afford to kill billions each year for taste, you yourself stated that it is morally preferable not to. So what is your excuse?

  • How big is your suicide cult right now? I have been vegan for over 5 years and made a impact on many others while you talk smart on the internet. You just justify not taking responsibility with a stupid hyperbolic example you don't follow trough. I can advocate going vegan because I follow trough. You, you are just pathetic.

  • Your math is flawed:

    A plant based diet reduces the impact by -3/4, your solution by -1

    If i convince 4 others to do the same, or 8 to reduce it by half my impact is -3 not counting cascading effects.

    That is if you would follow trough with your suggestion which I have doubts. So not only is your solution not better, it is worse and you don't act the way you propose.

  • Its not about one person preventing climate change alone, first step is not supporting climate change. Then people around you see that it's not black magic and that they can do it too. We are now at 2%, 3%? vegans. A change in society needs 10% to have a critical mass. If you decide to go vegan, for the animals, for the climate, for your health, and make others think about and maybe even change one other persons view you did better than most.

    If you don't you are not passive, you are actively supporting it and showing others that its OK.

    • Eating meat is actively supporting the industry and everything that comes with it.
    • Silently not supporting it with a plant based diet is the passive position.
    • Actively fighting against it is the real fight against the industry.

    Governments will not act against the will of the voters alone. They have to have some support to even consider making change. Massive organizations live from the participation from people, from you.

  • Are you suggesting they should kill kids younger than 16? I work in hazardous environment and there are many machines and tools where you are required to be of legal age and in many cases have had training with those tools. Using kids to operate deadly machinery, especially if its a holiday job and kill or mutilate them on a regular basis would not fly in my industry. Maybe yours is tougher and I look like a crybaby to you but most of you who don't give a shit don't stay very long.