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That's what I did.

In your own words you said you didn't offer a rebuttal....

That is not what I did.

Lol, then what was the point of the question? Can you really not be honest for like a second?

don't really care.

Ahh, so just virtue signalling and stroking your ego. Cool.

Good luck "canvassing" with your memes....

That's the whole point of strawman arguments, to distract from the original claim.

By employing the logical fallacy and defending it, you squash the very possibility of any other discourse.

Because they have spent months and months telling us who not to vote for without giving us any alternatives.

Again, the best way to confront that is by confronting the claim. Not by just insinuating that they've failed some kind of loyalty test.

In their argument they made valid points which shouldn't just be brushed aside or excused without reason. It just makes it seem as if you are ignoring the criticism to the same extent that conservatives do for trump.

There's been an alarming popularization of conflating valid and invalid criticism against politicians. Instead of Democrats rejecting the demagoguery the GOP utilizes to lead their constituents the DNC has been adopting their tactics. Which is ultimately a goal of fascist movements everywhere.

may possibly be that you don't know the whole story here.

And how many people who see your argument are going to "know the whole story"? They're just going to see that criticism can be ignored if you utilize the right logical fallacy.

Lol, I've been a district delegate for the DNC in one of the most conservative states in America..... What have you done?

This is why I asked how canvassing was related to the original claim, as we are now focusing on the strawman argument instead of actually addressing the criticism in question.

Considering he is one of the most active users in this online community, I'm guessing your description of standby basement dweller is more accurate for flyingsquid than anyone else here. Doing memes and drowning out criticism online with flawed rhetoric is not the same as political organizing.

He asked the person he originally responded too, not me. I'm just asking how it's a relevant question..... which he is going through great lengths to avoid answering.

And how is that relevant to the original claim?

Someone saying that they think both parties need better leadership isn't claiming you're going to vote for a convicted felon.

Lol, I can't answer a question for someone else. I asked the same question to you and you are unwilling to answer. Why expect anything else from op?

If you were to ask me.... I would say that I don't canvass for national elections as I live in the most conservative state in the Union, but i do get involved for state and municipal elections. As I already said, I have served a term as a district delegate.

So, now that your "question" has been fulfilled, why ask in the first place, and how is it relative to the original statement? And, who are you canvassing for?

Let me guess, the answer is going to be based on another logical fallacy?

It wasn't a rebuttal, it was a question.

A question completely unrelated to the statement? What is the purpose of the question......ahh yes, to set up a strawman argument to distract from the original statement. That's a shitty rebuttal, but it's still a rebuttal, or at least building up to one.

One you have not answered. And yet you expect me to answer yours.

You never asked me, you asked op. Also, Im not the one who thinks you have to work for the party you vote for to criticize them in a public forum. Lastly, I doubt someone as terminally online as yourself has enough time to canvass in the first place.

problem here is you're trying to argue with someone who asked a question.

The problem here is that your question isn't relevant to the statement and it's only purpose is to distract from the valid criticisms withing the original claim.

The problem is that your only response has been to attempt to lull people into a debate revolving around a logical fallacy.

So your rebuttal was a complete non-sequitur? Seems you're not being very honest here.

Maybe a better approach would be to actually address the argument instead of relying on logical fallacies to silence peoples concerns.

So who are you canvassing for?

So the only people who are able to be critical of their elected officials are people who have the leisure time and the resources to work for political parties for free?

take it neither of you are canvassing for anyone and are just hoping you'll get what you want by wishing for it.

First of all, this is a strawman argument. It has nothing to do with the original claim, which you didn't ever address. Secondly, I have served as a district delegate for the DNC in my state, and you have an optimistic view of how much actual choice is actually provided to voters.

Candidates don't just say I want to be a state senator, sign me up. They go through a vetting process of the state's political party, and each DNC chapter has its own means to determine which candidates they throw their weight behind. Depending on where you are, unless you have seniority in the local chapter you don't really have a choice on who you canvas for.

Lol, why do you people always force everything into a false dichotomy? If you have a problem with the statement, at least confront the actual argument being put forward.

Nothing they said is false, the Democrats over the last couple decades have slid further and further to the right, mostly because they care more about economic policy and decorum than protecting people's rights.

Are they better than the Republicans, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't be critical when assessing if they've met our expectations. Saying both parties need better leadership is just stating the obvious, it doesn't mean this person's urging people to not vote, or to vote for the worse party.

This country is in for some rough years if our only qualifications for leadership positions is just being better than Republicans, that bar is too low.

One correction would be claiming that "Putin is trying to fuck the West". It buys into the propaganda that Russia isn't really a "western" nation.

They have an odd bit of propaganda that Russians are "Eurasians", which is just a way they validate and distinguish their history of colonialism from the rest of Europe.

In reality they've always treated their Asian minority population as second class citizens, utilizing them primarily as cannon fodder to expand their colonial holdings.

That's fair, but people aren't stopping there. Mention any criticism from a leftist perspective and you get the same treatment.

It seems a lot of people here are conflating any criticism with disinformation. If you mention the war in Palestine people automatically roll their eyes.

Hamas committed genocide on October 7.

Lol, my dude. An act of terrorism is not the same as a genocide.

You're trying to normalize it by claiming Israel is also committing genocide.

I'm pretty sure it's not just me who thinks that, the ICC has warrants out for Bibis arrest.

It's not a numbers game. Israel is conducting a war with the goal to bring back the people Hamas is holding hostage (which is a war crime BTW).

Yeah.... That's why they've primarily killed women and children? Also, genocide is most definitely a numbers game.

Hamas attacked Israelis on October 7 with the goal to kill as many people as they can.

And that was a bad thing..... Right? So doing the same back, but killing several times more civilians is worse....right?

If Wormtongue didn't want me to have the orb, then why did he throw it at me? Everyone knows that orbs are free if you find them on the ground, Gandalf is just jealous the ents like me more and I have all the good leaf.

You do realize you are utilizing the "both sides" argument about a genocide?

The IDF has killed several times more civilians than Hamas and were still okay associating with them.....

Don't buy into any crap you see about her going forward. Eat no for breakfast.

Yes, and conservatives choose not to criticize him for being a shit head. My point is that it is the people's job to hold their elected officials to a higher standard, and we do that with valid criticism.

Lol, yes the appropriate response to valid criticism.......ignore it.

If you don't agree with how Israel and America are treating Palestinians, whats the chance anyone is going to change their stance if you don't even do the bare minimum of criticism?

I'm not telling people to not vote, or to vote for fucking Trump, I'm just saying there are plenty of things we should be doing better, and we should all be voicing that.