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That and canned veggies. Don't know if it's because we were low income or if produce was just a lot more expensive back in the 80s and 90s. But, I remember eating a shit ton of canned "mixed vegetables" at my house and at friends houses.

My mom was a good cook, but I feel like we didn't get a lot of fresh veggies unless we were living on a military base where the groceries were subsidized.

It promotes a seperation idea in a country built with the idea of national unity.

So you're either denying the Armenian genocide, or you acknowledge that your government can and has done genocide, but for some reason are giving them the benefit of doubt for the Kurdish people?

Is everyone in Turkey so stupid, or are you just an active participant in the future ethnic cleansing?

He knows better, hes just laying down the required denialism so that his government can conduct another genocide.

Ethnic cleansing is killing off the majority of a population solely because of their ethnicity. Turkey has sent various ambassadors to get as many civilians possible to not get involved in the revolts and helped them relocate; then used the army to surpress the revolt movement. How does this constitute as ethic cleansing?

No it is not. An ethnic cleansing is just the mass expulsion or killing of an ethnic group.

Obviously your policy or your ambassadors are terrible.

promotes a seperation idea in a country built with the idea of national unity.

Lol, the first thing that the nation did was a genocide......it's almost like your society didn't live up to it's own ideas or something.

Kurdish" and "Kurd" were never banned, however referring to PKK as these terms are.

Evidence? Because the humans rights violations against the Kurdish people predate the PKK by decades...

What do you think it was all done at once, or that planes are single use items?

Turkish planes flew numerous sorties against the rebels during the rebellion. Among the pilots was Kemal Atatürk's adopted daughter, Sabiha Gökçen, the first female fighter pilot. A report of the General Staff mentioned the "serious damage" that had been caused by her 50 kg bomb, upon a group of fleeing civilians.[56]

Muhsin Batur, engaged in massacres for about two months over Dersim, stated in his memoirs that he wanted to avoid talking about this part of his life.[57][better source needed] Kurdish leader Nuri Dersimi claimed that the Turkish air force bombed the district with poisonous gas in 1938.[58]

Considering Turkish aviation technology around that era, it's tough to imagine Turkey having the means to kill tens of thousands of people with a single aircraft operation.

Lol, he wasn't saying there was only one plane.

Plus, turkey was able to kill hundreds of thousands of Armenians just a decade or so before the 30's....... That's unless you are denying the Armenian genocide of course.

"Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 people have died, most of whom were Kurdish civilians.["

"Turkey has depopulated and burned down thousands of Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians in an attempt to root out PKK militants."

"The initial reason given by the PKK for this was the oppression of Kurds in Turkey.[81][82] At the time, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[83] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" during the 1930s and 1940s.[83][84][85] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[86] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life until 1991.[87] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned"

"Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 people have died, most of whom were Kurdish civilians.["

"Turkey has depopulated and burned down thousands of Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians in an attempt to root out PKK militants."

"The initial reason given by the PKK for this was the oppression of Kurds in Turkey.[81][82] At the time, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[83] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" during the 1930s and 1940s.[83][84][85] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[86] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life until 1991.[87] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned"

"Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 people have died, most of whom were Kurdish civilians.["

"Turkey has depopulated and burned down thousands of Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians in an attempt to root out PKK militants."

"The initial reason given by the PKK for this was the oppression of Kurds in Turkey.[81][82] At the time, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[83] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" during the 1930s and 1940s.[83][84][85] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[86] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life until 1991.[87] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned"

I'll post the same thing the last time you tried covering up your government's history of ethnic cleansing.

"Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 people have died, most of whom were Kurdish civilians.["

"Turkey has depopulated and burned down thousands of Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians in an attempt to root out PKK militants."

"The initial reason given by the PKK for this was the oppression of Kurds in Turkey.[81][82] At the time, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[83] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" during the 1930s and 1940s.[83][84][85] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[86] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life until 1991.[87] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned"

This guy is just a rabid ethno nationalist.

You are so sensitive to immediately tell someone to F off which screams American.

Lol, have you been to East Asia? Getting told to fuck off isn't exactly a hard thing to provoke in Asia, it's not something that only happens in America.

You claim yourself as Chinese which means you know best about all Chinese culture right? Which is such a common Chinese xenophobic tactic.

Almost as common as white people explaining Asian culture to Asians on this social media platform. I've been lectured to about my own culture by European and Americans who have never left their own countries.

But at the same time you’re so disconnected from your own culture you feel the need to share you and your own parents ethnicity

My dude..... Your ethnicity doesn't change just because your parents migrated to another location. The fact that you can't recognize stripping someone's ethnicity away from someone because they weren't born in there families homeland is just another form of forced assimilation, and is incredibly racist.

mandarin in university level ABC

Again, utilizing an acronym to other delineate someone from their ethnic heritage is disgusting. Especially considering that I doubt you've ever had to deal with navigating the social stratification of being an immigrant.

Accosting a Chinese person for not being Chinese enough is just about the most 4d chess move of racism a white dude can pull off. Congrats.

If you have a bunch of questionable 7.62 that's been in storage maybe a little too long, what's a better pairing than a rifle that's half cosmoline?

It hardly ever jams, is easy to clean and maintain, and if you don't clean it for long enough the pin will stick and then you can slam fire on full auto.

One of my first guns was a Yugo sks that had never been fired. It's great for learning because you have to do a complete breakdown to clean all the grease from everywhere before you can actually shoot it.

Yep, turkish nationalist are just as genocidal as they've ever been. Honestly their beliefs around ethnic conflicts haven't really changed since the early 20th century.

Lol, sure........

"Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 people have died, most of whom were Kurdish civilians.["

"Turkey has depopulated and burned down thousands of Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians in an attempt to root out PKK militants."

"The initial reason given by the PKK for this was the oppression of Kurds in Turkey.[81][82] At the time, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[83] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" during the 1930s and 1940s.[83][84][85] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[86] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life until 1991.[87] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned"

Why? No one is inciting violence, commissioning violence, or even inciting hatred.

Hoping something bad happens to a person you dislike is not the same as an actionable threat. Celebrating something bad happening to someone for the actions they committed isn't incitement. That's just a consequence of the person's actions. CEOs are not a protected group of people, it's just a job title.

I don't really see anyone getting in actual legal trouble, I think you're just clutching at pearls for no particular reason.

I wouldn't really take anything down as fact at the moment. The region is a healthcare desert that has a pretty bad history of malnourishment, so even if what the reports say is true, it's not something that would be applicable to other parts of the world.

From the couple articles that I've read about, there's a lot of stuff being reported that's probably not coming from a reliable source.

Most are saying it's some kind of flu-like symptoms, and the disease is unknown, but the WHO director in the area has said they won't have any more information for the next 48 hours because they haven't been able to test yet.

There's also reports of deaths from pulmonary complications, but also reports of deaths from lack of blood transfusions..... Not sure why someone would require a blood transfusion for flu-like symptoms, so my guess is there's not a lot of reliable reporting coming out ATM.

Yeah, they're literally just normal dudes doing their mandatory service that everyone hates. I think one of the benefits of mandatory service is that the police state isn't exclusively made up of the most violent and conservative people in the country.

No thanks fam, I'm going to continue believing the 90s were 10-15 years ago max. I'm not old, I'm just tired all the time, no more questions please.

Selling weapons to parties engaged in a conflict, to an extent even if they are used for warcrimes is not among the list of crimes that the ICC has jurisdiction for. You can argue that it should be on the list and I’d be inclined to agree with you, but the entire point of a court like this is that it REALLY has to do things by the book to maintain its acceptance.

Yeah..... That kinda highlights my whole argument doesn't it? The ICC isn't independent enough to go after the arms dealers who make genocide possible in the first place. Like I said, it's bound by the governments in its member states. Sure you can go after the guy who uses the weapons I sold to do horrendous crimes, but you can't go after the people who knowingly sold them the tools of genocide. Convenient.

Not really, it’s actually quite diverse!

Just because the judges are from a wide range of countries doesn't mean there isn't a bias input from wealthier nations. Most cases put forward to be prosecuted by the ICC are done by NGO, most of which operate out of wealthier member states.

"The ICC has been accused of bias and as being a tool of Western imperialism, only punishing leaders from small, weak states while ignoring crimes committed by richer and more powerful states.[315][316][317][318] This sentiment has been expressed particularly by African leaders due to an alleged disproportionate focus of the Court on Africa, while it claims to have a global mandate. Until January 2016, all nine situations which the ICC had been investigating were in African countries."

Define white… They are prosecuting 6 Russians, 3 Israelis, 3 Georgians, 3 Palestinians and 1 person from Myanmar of 65 people total, the remainder being from a variety of African countries.

It's a stupid human construct that changes over time to suit "white" people's needs. However, in this case I would say its fair to assume white means ethnicities hailing from western Europe. Historically serbs aren't really considered white by western Europeans, but that kinda depends on your level of racism. I'm not really an expert as I am not of European descent, and my people never felt the urge to measure people's skulls for pseudo science.

So, maybe some of the Russians are white depending on if they're ethnically serb, Scandinavian, or turkic. So even if we're counting all the Russians as "white", it still means that over 90% of all people issued warrants from the court are POC. Not a good look.

Okay, you can of course say that no one prosecuted is white, by setting the standards for being white arbitrarily high. If you demand someone whose ancestors for the last 10 generations have lived in a Norwegian Fjord, then yes, none of them are white.

Lol, okay so we're giving racism the benefit of doubt? How about we go off of something more solid, like historical context?

". Ante Starčević, the leader of the Party of Rights between 1851 and 1896, believed Croats should confront their neighbors, including Serbs.[10] He wrote, for example, that Serbs were an "unclean race" and with the co-founder of his party, Eugen Kvaternik, denied the existence of Serbs or Slovenes in Croatia, seeing their political consciousness as a threat."

"In the 1920s, Italian fascists accused Serbs of having "atavistic impulses" and they claimed that the Yugoslavs were conspiring together on behalf of "Grand Orient masonry and its funds". One antisemitic claim was that Serbs were part of a "social-democratic, masonic Jewish internationalist plot".[40] Benito Mussolini viewed not just the Serbs but the whole "Slavic race" as inferior and barbaric."

"Serbs as well as other Slavs (mainly Poles and Russians) as well as non-Slavic peoples (such as Jews and Roma) were not considered Aryans by Nazi Germany. Instead, they were considered subhuman, inferior races (Untermenschen) and foreign races and as a result, they were not considered part of the Aryan master race.[48][49] Serbs, along with the Poles, were at the bottom of the Slavic "racial hierarchy"

"According to Vojislav Koštunica and British commentator Mary Dejevky, in the summer of 1995 the French president, Jacques Chirac created controversy when he commented on the Bosnian War, he reportedly called Serbs "a nation of robbers and terrorists".[93][94"

"During the war in Croatia, French writer Alain Finkielkraut insinuated that Serbs were inherently evil, comparing Serb actions to the Nazis during World War II.[95]"

Because this really isn’t a European perspective, the entire distinction between white and non-white matters a lot less here. And not even because there is necessarily less racism, but because the racism that is around isn’t really about whiteness.

Ahh, yes please explain racism to me white European. I as a Korean person living in the west must not understand the intricate scientific system of your forefathers. Shall we pull out your grandpa's skull measuring calipers and charts to explain how racism in Europe excludes whiteness as a concept?

I've lived in Europe before, and this is just a fucking lie white Europeans tell themselves as if ore their fellow countryman throw bananas at black football players. Get bent.

Not necessarily, but it has done reasonably well with regards to what it sanctioned and is the relevant body who decides on the legality of wars. Which is what matters here, not whether or not you or me agree with every individual decision.

Legality does not dictate morality. The afghan war is very modern history, the Iraq war is very modern history, hell even the Vietnam war was modern. You are just ignoring or excluding examples that don't suit your bias.

Yes, but most of those colonialists are no longer available to be judged and since the events predate the Rome statute wouldn’t be accessible to it anyways.

The coup belt that started in 2020 is a direct result of competing European colonialism in modern Africa between Turkey, Russia, and France.

So far they haven’t and there have also definitely be some that made it clear that they will comply with the rules, as well as some that tried to avoid giving clear statements.

Wanna make a bet?

They don’t have jurisdiction for the US and for the other 6 there is no clear precedent. I would expect most of them to comply, though it is unlikely to come up because most of them would likely prosecute their criminals themselves if it reached the point where the ICC would look.

Unless it's something like supplying weapons to commit genocides...... That's conveniently not illegal.

that is no longer an argument about whether it would deserve the right to execute people

How? My original assertion is that a requirement of capital punishment is a non biased court. Establishing that the court is innately biased sure seems like a cohesive argument.

It has definitely started to show some attitude with Israel. that’s more than most other institutions can say of themselves.

I mean, it is kinda worrying that the first people who can pass as "white" being prosecuted by the court are serbs and Jews. It's not like those have a history of ethnic persecution in Europe.

in any case the fault of France, not of the ICC.

Like any international body, the ICC is only as legitimate as it's member states willingness to participate.

What makes you think that?

"Let’s not pretend that Africans are somehow infantile children who are not responsible for their own actions." Mainly that..... But it's kinda besides the point, as you aren't responsible for who gets prosecuted by the ICC.

Please name reasonably recent examples, preferably ones where it is not the US doing it.

"NATO powers such as the United Kingdom and the United States support the Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen primarily through arms sales and technical assistance.[396] France had also made recent military sales to Saudi Arabia"

"The tribunal requested a thorough investigation as some of the evidence indicated "possible acts of genocide".[28] Its panel found Sri Lanka guilty of genocide at its 7–10 December 2013 hearings in Berman, Germany. It also found that the US and UK were guilty of complicity."

" 2008 report by the Rwandan government-sponsored Mucyo Commission accused the French government of knowing of preparations for the genocide and helping to train Hutu militia members."

"Since the war began, both regional and international powers have been actively involved in the conflict. A number of reports have been made alleging that China, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates were all providing military support for the Ethiopian government via the sale of weaponized drones."

"October 2023, political analyst Lena Obermaier argued that Germany is complicit in Israel's war crimes against Gaza.[6"

"On 12 December 2023, Human Rights Watch said that selling weapons to Israel could make the UK complicit in war crimes. "

"In March, OXFAM released a statement detailing its intention, alongside several other NGOs,[p] to sue Denmark to prevent arms sales to Israel, warning that by selling arms Denmark is "complicit in violations of international humanitarian law ... and a plausible genocide".

And the ICC is kinda doing the opposite. Really not comparable, as I said.

Lol, the ICC isn't run by economically advanced states? They haven't primarily prosecuted people in poor states?

People in those rich states never participated in war crimes?

That’s an unfair standard, considering that the ICC has so far sentenced 8 (EIGHT!) people from 2 (TWO) case-groups to prison, both of which concerned civil wars in Africa.

And how many POC were prosecuted vs white people?

three case groups (Georgia, Russia, Israel) is something that you would have justify.

Sure, western Europeans historically haven't viewed serbs as "white". We already talked about Israel.

Again, how many people have been prosecuted that are white?

The thing is: Since the Iraq-war most European countries neither had large civil wars, nor did they really participate in other wars that were not UN-sanctioned.

Ahh yes, the UN is immune from unethical wars......

The fact of the matter is that they are doing more in Africa simply because Africa has a lot of civil wars

And why exactly does Africa have a lot of civil wars......? Hmmm......maybe the hundreds of years of western colonialism and interventionist actions on the continent might have something to do with it?

I guess that is why it went against most of those countries and prosecuted Netanjahu?

Only to have it's own member states ignore the court they belong to?

The ICC is independent, that’s the whole point!

So long as they don't prosecute anyone from the G7.... Sure.

Who should then prosecute those crimes that are otherwise not accessible to prosecution? The ICC only gets active if there is no serious attempt at prosecution in the country itself!

Lol, I've said this several times. I don't inherently think the ICC itself is evil or anything, I just don't think they're really effective at doing anything unless it fits within the geopolitical will of its wealthiest member states. The problem is systemic in nature, and no matter what anyone in the ICC believes no international body is truly independent.