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This meme is about Abundance Liberalism. Unlike the article that I'll link, I would argue that the center-left Democrats are actual leaning right of center neoliberals who are desperately trying to rebrand themselves so they can keep implementing their failed policies.

https://www.splinter.com/abundance-liberalism-is-just-a-new-way-for-technocratic-democrats-to-miss-the-point

The new book Abundance by New York Times and Atlantic writers Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson has taken the center-left intelligentsia by storm this week, as it has received backing from outlets ranging from The Economist to Vox while America’s football coach Tim Walz has even endorsed it to a degree. I have not read the book yet, so I will refrain from entering the weeds of the many policy debates it raises, and if you want to read a critique of those weeds, there are thoughtful ones in The Baffler about how “the Abundance authors ask too little of themselves and their readers” and in The American Prospect about the litany of abundance liberalism’s corporate connections that may be informing its market-based policy recommendations.

Deregulation hasn’t ever incrementally improved society. Especially in housing we need more regulation that prevents corporate ownership of homes, among other reforms.

Yes.

In this case I don’t think Schumer is anti deregulation because of money.

Schumer is beholden to billionaire donors that make up the owner class and will act in their interest whatever that interest is.

So if deregulation is against the interests of the owner class then Schumer will be against deregulation. If regulation is against the interests of owner class then Schumer will be against regulation.

Incremental changes like what neoliberals are calling for with abundance liberalism are all doomed to fail. There is an oppositional force, billionaires, that will seek to obstruct or twist any incremental change that is a detrimental to their shared class interests.

Poking at a person's insecurities can be one of the best ways to deal with bigotry and hatred. So very much exhaust.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25671921

We reached that point awhile ago. I've made a meme about it. It will be in my posts.

No amount of hardship or things getting worse will make people wake up. People will unironically think they aren't working enough if they're before retirement age and if they're after retirement age they will say something like 'I did everything right, but I have no money'. They have an existing framework to view their material conditions thanks to neoliberalism.

This must be corrected if we want people to adopt socialist and progressive ideas. We have to educate people if we want to make things better. There is no way around it. Now we have to educate people during a fascist dictatorship.

I posted this on the meta community. The mods and admins will see it.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25367982

That video is the best source that I've seen that summarizes the relevant points. It's also the first source I've found on the history of neoliberalism. The video is well researched and had an interview with an expert on the topic. So not only is it a highly relevant video to our discussion, it should be shared widely as it is an efficient way to educate people on neoliberalism. It's also relatively recent so not everyone will have seen it yet.

Many people, if not most people in America and probably the West at large grew up partially internalizing these neoliberal ideas. But many of them don't even know the name of the ideology let alone where those ideas come from. You argument initially did not seem to recognize neoliberalism as a political ideology. This is a common misconception I see all over lemmy. This gap in education must be corrected as neoliberal ideas are what have lead us to the current fascist regime. And even if we defeat this MAGA dictatorship, we will still need to contented with this pervasive neoliberal thinking when attempting to implement socialist and progressive policies.

Besides the European-American divide where conservatives are referred to as liberal in Europe and progressives are referred to as liberal in America there are actual misconceptions. One being Marxist-Leninists and many other leftists call anyone to the right of them liberals. In addition people conflate classical liberals, neoliberals, neoconservatives, and fascists as the same ideology.

Not being able to identify these ideologies will make people rhetorically ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. Neoliberals and fascists have their own ideas that need to be countered with arguments that address those ideologies' actual positions. What we have currently is people resulting to name calling, calling everyone a liberal, which isn't a persuasive argument.

And yes, the US education system needs an overhaul. But its underfunding is an intentional part of the Republican strategy. An uneducated populace is easier to control. We need to fund our education system in the US and the government in general. In order to fund the government we have to get money out politics, which means taking control of the source of wealth from the owner class. In order to convince people that's necessary we need them to understand neoliberalism is a sales pitch for the scam that is late-stage capitalism.

That's a lot of work that needs to be done. Sharing this video is a small thing anyone can do to contribute to that. And what a lot people seem to fail to understand is that whether or not there is a peaceful revolution or violent revolution this work will still need to be done. There's no shortcut for educating people.

Your comments are not federating properly to my instance, but I found the link. Thanks for sharing it, I enjoyed it immensely. =D

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Linebaugh points to the influential words of August Spies, one of the convicted men, who just before his execution cried out the famous words: "There will come a time when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you strangle today."

That's a powerful quote. I remember going to local May Day fairs and maybe celebrating it in elementary school. Those events definitely did not cover any of this fascinating history about worker's rights.

Poor is not defined as those who have the least in the economic terms being discussed in this article. That's why there is a poverty line to define what is meant by poor. The poverty line used by the government needs to be updated however.

If people had more than enough to get by then we wouldn't considered them poor even if no one had less money than them. Having the least amount of money isn't the issue. The issue is can a person acquire the goods and services they need to live. If not that's a problem and we've been describing that problem as being poor.

The answer was to replace capitalism, an extractive economic institution, with socialism, an inclusive economic institution. And yes, it would have taken a lot of political will, which is why I argue it would have been hard, but not impossible. I've been arguing this with several users in parallel. If you want to see my argument in full it's in my comment history.

What's important is, now that the bomb has gone off and we have fascism, we still need to replace capitalism with socialism. But in addition we also have to defeat a fascist dictatorship on top of that. So now it's even harder.

Jesus, if you think Bernie is the progressive candadite that I’m referring to, you just proved my point.

What point? Your argument is a collection of a few short false statements. I was attempting to be generous by assuming you were talking about Bernie even though he's not a progressive, he's a democratic socialist. That example about Bernie and the DNC court ruling is a real event.

Maybe you should stat by researching the progressive parties in the US.

What other parties are you referring to?

The Green Party is a scam that only fields a presidential nominees with no chance of success. Jill Stein is yet another Russian asset who has been seen meeting with Putin.

Again, this is me being generous and assuming good faith to get at an actual discussion about real things. The Green Party is what people usually refer to when they mean a progressive third party. The Green Party and the Libertarian Party are the only third parties worth discussing because they are the only third parties that act as spoiler candidates. The rest don't even manage that. Republicans and Democrats are the only parties that had a chance to win our democracy back when it was still a democracy last year.

What is your position? What are you talking about?

My interest in asking was if you meant nonviolent action or violent action. For your information, Americans are doing nonviolent action currently including some, if not all of the things you listed. We definitely need to do more and thank you for the list.

My concern was derived from the fact that most people it feels like most people on this site mean violent action when they say something like meaningful action. And I didn't want to assume you either were in that camp or didn't know about recent American protests.

For a reference to what I'm talking about here's a recent post. The post itself is fine, but the comment section contains multiple calls to violence.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25226675

edit: typos and clarification

Despite your preference for violence; nonviolence works.

Also, I would like to point out that while it is true that those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable, violence is still our least useful tool.

I even wrote this in a comment to you.

Very American to immediately start ranting g about violence while nonviolent campaigns that mobilize large, diverse groups are statistically more effective than violent resistance.

Right, which is is why I brought up the distinction between the two. Especially when people say meaningful change they are usually implying violent change. Also, I'm arguing these exact topics with multiple users. I've written this down in comments to other people. Check my comment history if the comment section is too messy to navigate.

Americans are doing those things. We need to do more and more have been planned.

But you did watch the youtube video with facts and an expert that efficiently explains the concept in a concise video essay that we most certainly need to share with others because defeating neoliberalism is a collective effort, right?

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of political ideologies. These are all different ideologies from fascism. Although neoliberalism and by extension neoconservatism lead to fascism. No one is a classical liberal anymore. Compared to classical liberalism, neoliberalism is fundamentally its own ideology that was developed in the 20th century. Neoconservatism is a more conservative and usually more war hawkish version of neoliberalism.

Here's a useful video about neoliberalism to improve your analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zswexNXorOE