Tinidril @ Tinidril @midwest.social

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You have no fucking idea what wing of the party I belong to.

To be clear, that's the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.

Oh, fuck off. I've been brutal towards the establishment. I just want them beaten, and pretending elections are rigged is counterproductive to that end. You're nothing but a right wing agitator.

they might respond to pressure to stop

Why would they? It's apparently working. Now who is suddenly feeling charitable towards the establishment? You think they can be shamed into playing nice? You are so full of shit.

Well, it is fucking kids. That should at least count as something, but it's still insane that anyone is surprised by it.

I don't think the word "rigging" tells an accurate story. I do think they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn't win the general. I don't believe they messed with the voting process itself, which is what "rigging" tends to invoke.

Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying

Again, context matters. In a legal process there are different times to make different arguments, and a good lawyer makes use every argument available. This particular argument dealt with whether or not the court had jurisdiction in the matter, so it came early in the process.

This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral

What exactly does that mean? Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships outside the DNC? Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC? Being neutral is a good idea, but that rule is pretty meaningless.

To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment. I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans. That's why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries. Giving the false impression that their vote won't count is counterproductive.

It's accurate that their lawyer made that true argument. That's just how party primaries work in the US, unfortunately. It's not accurate that "the party went to court for the right to rig". The whole point of the argument was to avoid a potentially long and expensive case from moving forward. The context matters, and the lawyer would have been incompetent not to bring it up, as would a Republican or even Green party lawyer in that situation.

the party went to court for the right to rig.

Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context. Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

DNC normally "3rd parties don't function in our two party system, there's no point in voting for them

That part is just reality.

But America brings so much to the table! There's all the goods manufactured in America, there is all the creativity coming out of the American TV and movie industries, there is all the scientific research and knowledge that is totally not leaving. What about innovative software (licenses) and enshitified streaming services. America is on the cutting edge of defense and it's partners totally trust that America would never yank away support for those weapons at the whim of a mad king or anything.

Most importantly, how will the world ever get by without the American financial system that contributes nothing to the world and demands all the wealth in return? I think the world will find America hard to shake.

(Massive /s, just in case it's not obvious.)

Meh. We'll see what happens when it threatens their office. A lot of them have already started changing their rhetoric.

This time the Democrats have an actual flesh and blood candidate who actually stands for something. If he wins, will that alter your perspective at all?

American voters suck, just like they have always sucked, just like voters suck everyplace else. That's the field in which the game is played.

Being the lesser of two evils is not a good strategy. The greater evil gets all the attention and therefore enthusiasm. Good vs evil is a whole different dynamic.

Now it's time for the "vote blue no matter who" crowd to put up or shut up. So far, party loyalty doesn't seem very important to a lot of the establishment.

I imagine it would feel a bit like punching a pile of dried leaves.

As a hopelessly straight American, I second the motion.

It wasn't rigged. Even if it were rigged, it should never have been close enough to be rigged, but it wasn't rigged. If the DNC waited to say it was rigged, they are still waiting because they haven't said they think it's rigged, but their not waiting, because it wasn't rigged.

They really thought she'd be worse?

For the love of God, please stop spreading this mode of thinking. Elections are won by enthusiasm, not an intellectual weighing of the pros and cons of each. This is the model Democrats have used for decades that got us here. Being the lesser evil is not a solid campaign strategy. The greater evil will always get more attention, and therefore enthusiasm.

I don't think this is an exclusively American thing. Did Brits really think brexit was a good idea?

Months. Did you somehow miss black lives matter? The rapid growth of the prison industrial complex? This is just the explosive conclusion to a pattern that was well underway long before Trump.

The left threatens power. MAGA doesn't.

Not all Democrats are in sync with party leadership though.

The President isn't the problem. He's certainly "a" problem, but let's not pretend that Vance is going to be any better.

Get rid of all the corrupt Republicans (redundant phrase), and you will still have MAGA, the silicon valley tech bros, a corrupt financial system, white/Christian nationalists, and the military industrial complex.

Then we have the Democrats who have proven themselves over and over again to be incapable of standing up against any of these groups.

Whatever we protest for, any result worth the effort has to address the systemic failures that led to the Trump presidency. Anything less is performative at best.

We need an inverse lottery. The top 100 most wealthy Americans are automatically added to a pool and one is drawn at random each year. Then we confiscate everything they own, put them in the street, and see if they can get rich again.