ThunderingJerboa @ ThunderingJerboa @kbin.social

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Actually disagree, many of these big corps think these people will just go right back to them even if they get kicked off. Can't say too much but used to "tech support" for one of the big 3 in console space and one of the trainers made mention of this with lines like "They always come back". Sad part is, they weren't wrong. It was such a hard time seeing how some accounts can be basically taken away because someone did something at a moment of panic (chargeback) when there was massive credit card fraud happening and everything on that account disappears even thing you properly paid for unless you paid them back. It is a major reason why the shift to digital online release is horrifying on the console space. The PC market has a similar problem but at least to my knowledge Steam only deactivates your ability buy new things and remove the content that is being contested, its not the best solution but its seems "fair"

Apparently it can kill the heads of Al Qaeda/Isis and bring peace to the middle east before breakfast time.

Honestly the best subzero cooler on the market, just need the soul of an orphan to power it.

Okay, would we be even talking about Billet Labs after a month if they didn't fuck up this video and selling off the prototype? This situation has been probably the best case scenario for them. This isn't to absolve LMG's part in losing the prototype and selling it off but if it worked as intended we wouldn't be talking about a 900+ waterblock for a gpu right now. It would be a long forgotten video because most consumers don't give a shit about boutique water cooling solutions, wow what a filler ltt episode. There is a market for it but and I continue to say this what super water cooling enthusiast is going to follow the words of local idiot/"funny" youtube man who does stupid watercooling projects in the dumbest ways possible.

3-5 degrees compared to EK's equivalents. Jesus people, even Billet labs says this and they are the manufacturer

We are outsiders in this situation. We don't know where the failure is, it could be anyone in the chain. From the person who received the requests (who didn't send it forward) to the people in logistics who were meant to handle the shipping/packaging of it (or any other person in the chain who messed up). My point was people are pinning blame on Linus and he is partly responsible seeing as he is the "owner" of the company but its pretty obvious he really wasn't in the loop for much of this billet labs thing beside his decision not to reshoot the video.

I say the person who was the contact for Billet Labs was the likely broken link seeing as there were multiple messages and the logistics would probably have noticed the error of a part needing to be sent back being set to the auction for LTX.

I think people are acting like most companies are optimal business where there is little breakdown in these kind of things but from my own experience these kind of breakdowns can happen easily and sometimes very frequently. Many people sort of forget many of these youtube companies are small businesses that happen to expand on short notice. So many of them get stuck in the mindset of small businesses and that causes major problems down the line. A very similar example I see here is like Roosterteeth, who had a major falloff in recent years. They grew very rapidly and many of the problems revealed come back to their small business mindset not adapting with their expansion.

I mean discovery will have to prove intent. What happened was shitty but we do have to remember there are about 120+ people in LTT. Billet labs probably emailed 1 person in the company twice, that person probably wasn't in logistics or in the team that was organizing LTX. So this is likely a huge fuck up but I think people are acting like they did this just out of spite when really it seems to be an organizational issue that got swept up in the mix. Who ever is the contact for Billet Labs may honestly get their job axed since this is a pretty big fuck up. I know people are trying to paint Linus as the one who did this but I don't think it is. We can blame him for his shit response and how he made it seem that they were already handling Billet Lab's with compensation but maybe I'm being optimistic but I honestly think GN's video was the first Linus has heard about what happened to the prototype besides maybe it being auctioned but I think he wasn't aware it needed to be returned.

Except really I think these kind of reveals will slowly lose their relevance since we are getting tools that make it far easier to do "Deepfakes". So it will just become the goto answer. In some ways its liberating, in other ways horrific since it will mean accountability is far harder. Hell we already have the trial run with this whole discussion of "Fake news".

3-5 degrees is the difference between this and its ek equivalents as posted by the manufacturer. This drama has been going on for a fucking month now. In a fucked up way, LTT covering this waterblock in the worst way possible has probably landed more eyes to Billet Labs than a proper one. Whoopie fucking doo a new custom boutique waterblock that cost nearly half the price of the card its meant to cool. I'm not here to defend the recent thing with the auctions since that is horrible and there is really no defense for it (I can understand how it could have happened but it should never have happened). I just think if there wasn't drama this would have just been a filler episode everyone would have forgotten about since there is nothing to this block beyond it basically being made of solid copper and cools both the cpu and gpu at the same time. Its a nice work of milling and I applaud Billet Labs on their workmanship. This beyond the most recent revelation feels like such a nothing burger that has continued to grow pointlessly.

Edit: Which has only continued to grow because Linus never figured out to stop putting his fucking foot in his mouth.

LMG must recognise the majority who watch LTT are often casual and will forever just remember “Linus said no” and not question it further.

So they are casuals primarily but you expect some subset of them to be willing to buy a $900+ waterblock? I feel I'm going through brainrot right now with this shit. Any enthusiast is probably not going to take the youtuber "funny" man, who thought it would be a good idea to watercool his PC rack with his pool with no heat exchanger in between said rack and the pool installation or really any other dumb watercooling project they have done (that typically end in failure), as a person you should go to for your boutique custom water cooling needs. Like even in the video they were pretty blatant on how its going on the wrong gpu.

And they wouldn't watch Linus video on it going on the wrong gpu. Those insane people can do what they want but its clear Linus is typically catering to tech "normies" they will do the occasional commercial tech but those are typically using them in ways they weren't meant to in a rather silly/pointless deployment. I'm not here to say what Linus did to the prototype was great since really auctioning it off is pretty abhorrent but I think people are over exaggerating about him going to be the "death of a startup" when local youtuber "funny" man makes a stupid video on it installing it on the wrong gpu, which has been clearly pointed out to death in the comments even before this controversy popped up.

From Billet lab's own website, it seems custom parts may be their bag and even though the video was negative on the monoblock (as we already established the reasons why) LTT seemed rather positive about the company, just not the product.

If you've got an idea for your next PC, let us know. If anyone can make it happen, we can.

Think this is a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Where I can see where Linus is coming from since he is quite frequently told he is out of touch as shown with his recent "house" videos. I think this could have easily swung the other way of "Wow Linus, of course the techtuber who gets free shit would advertise a 900$ waterblock, we can barely afford the gpus to put these on but he wants us to buy something that cost half the price of the already overpriced gpu its being put on". Like custom water cooling loop are fucking cool but you get to a huge point of diminishing return. Like if we believe Billet Lab's own results, the difference between Monoblock and EK quantum magnitude & EK-Quantum Vector is only about 3-5 degrees. People can burn their money how they want but I am pretty certain LTT has made a video saying they actually don't encourage consumers to watercool their PCs since while its better its typically just a worse user experience (This is me paraphrasing).

I mean it is a $800/900+ waterblock. No reasonable consumer should buy it. Its a cool project to show Billet Lab's ability to fabricate and mill custom parts but this is such a niche thing.

Yes he was, he commented on it in the original video, which the GN video included.

maybe I'm blind deaf and stupid but the link for that say nothing about Linus knowing about the 4090 FE edition of the cooler. Just that they used a 4090 in the original video and that was bad, which I again agree with and said he probably should have used a 3090TI.

My bad, I should not have quoted a word that they didn't use directly. But still, his final conclusion, as included in the GN video, is that nobody should buy it, and not just because of cost.

Because its a 800+ dollar of copper for a gpu and cpu cooling. Even if it was 20 degrees lower, you are spending half of what you spent on a fucking GPU on copper (that is magnificently manufactured/milled). This is so niche its just a bad product since the tolerances are so tight as shown in the video it only works on one type of gpu and/or cpu. Like its clear Billet labs is doing fantastic work on the machining but no reasonable consumer should ever buy this. This is so unreasonable and that is the point Linus is making. Its a cool project that Billet labs is making but there is almost no practical purpose for it.

Edit: Like their business model is so niche. If anything this feels like a way to spin the company in the direction of making custom milled part for commercial entities that need custom solutions. The consumer market isn't a good market for them.

Your point was it doesn't have PVE. I'm not here to defend their shit PVE and I even make a point to say it is fucking scummy they killed their OG game for this garbage but lets at least deal with facts right now. They have a PVE you have to pay 15 bucks for (and you don't even get to play the ones from the original game for some stupid reason)

Oh absolutely, Rockstar fucked them but I would imagine they are doing the same deal with RDR. They have Double Eleven doing this rerelease.

Again if you are charging 800+ dollars and again to Linus' point of view he wasn't aware of the 4090 FE edition of this cooler, doesn't make sense for buyers. Most of the video they are complimenting the machining of the piece.

The best case scenario for this thing is the temps are slightly better but the experience of building with it is a
nightmare and the advantages over literally any other solution are negligible it's a cool concept but unfortunately I think that there are very few buyers for it with that said you know if it tickles your fancy but you're thinking yeah cool idea but maybe if it was a little more like this I wouldn't be surprised if these guys could basically make just about anything for you they've definitely got the manufacturing chops

I don't think they ever say useless in the original video. Could you provide me a link of them doing so but gave it a quick scan via transcript and not seeing it. To me they just say its a bad product (with Linus' limited knowledge of said product).

Oh its fucking stupid but honestly after the whole GTA trilogy thing, would you really want them to touch it up? They have proven they are terrible at it but yeah it being full price is insane.

At the moment, there are none of the archive level. Which is super silly. So you only get 3 missions with some cutscenes with them.

Yet! They do this shit all the fucking time. They will stagger their releases and double dip people. This isn't to say people should pay 50 bucks for a fucking barely touched up game but the pc port thing is probably going to happen in a year or 2.

I mean didn't they just add the pve? Yes they horrifically downscaled it and its honestly insulting gamer were sold a premise but were given a downgraded game especially after they killed the original one. I just think its a bit disingenuous to say it has no PVE, when its there but pretty bad.