Thrillhouse @ Thrillhouse @lemmy.world

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I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith. There were more countries involved in WW2 than Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union but, as I said, I’m not an expert and I don’t expect people to be.

It was a mistake on the part of the speaker, he owned it, and then the government apologized. Case closed. Don’t be a partisan hack.

Yes let everyone, despite everything else going on at the time, pause in the moment to recall the finer points of WW2 geopolitics because everyone obviously has all those facts at the forefront of their mind at all times.

List of people who clapped: literally everyone.

I watched at home and didn’t clue in and I didn’t have cameras pointing at me documenting an internationally significant diplomatic event.

This is not the own you think it is.

Could just be an honest mistake, but it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be held accountable and I’m glad he has been. If I read the headline correctly I think the PM has also made a formal apology on behalf of the Canadian government as well but someone feel free to correct me on that because I didn’t quite get to reading the article.

I think the Speaker’s riding is North Bay? The way a lot of small towns / northern cities work is someone tells you “oh I know him he’s a good guy” and you just kind of take it at face value until you find out otherwise.

Now that’s not the way international protocol should work, obviously, and of course the Russians are going to use it.

I don’t necessarily believe he was “put up to it” because the simplest explanation is just Northern Ontario word of mouth gone awry and applied to an international diplomatic event where it absolutely should have been fact checked. If I recall correctly, the Speaker said it was a last minute decision.

I have a contact in the house so I can update if I hear any whisperings. My question is: is the Chief of Protocol responsible for reviewing the Speaker’s remarks. The answer could quite conceivably be no, and if so I think that process should be reviewed.

That’s not the context though and misrepresents the situation.

The Speaker of the House invited this guy because he knew of him from his riding. Without doing research or looking further into the circumstances of this individual’s service, the speaker made the decision to recognize this individual.

This has nothing to do with the PM. It’s the speaker and he resigned.

It’s pretty disgusting that people try to twist this into a partisan issue so they can dig at the PM. It’s disingenuous and kind of shitty to misrepresent this situation tbh.

Here’s my hot take: the Giuliani connection is relevant- as a prosecutor he targeted the Italian mob so the Russian mob could gain a stronger foothold. They are all so beholden to Russia and it’s so obvious that it’s been a decades-long connection.

Republicans: “No, not like that!”

I had a hard time in another thread just convincing people that the subject of UAPs is worth any inquiry at all.

I am just chiming in because I feel that people who dismiss the topic in general will see this headline and say see nothing to see here case closed people who investigate this are crazy.

Whereas the phenomena is still very much present and should be investigated - for national security and aviation safety reasons at the very least.

The thing we aren’t exploring or talking about in mainstream discourse is that UAPs might be terrestrial and non-human.

I’m not positing any explanation anywhere here. I’m just saying we should investigate UAP as a serious matter. And this dude and his stunt is not helping people take it seriously.

Actually our Canadian Defence Minister held a press conference where she emphatically stated that it was NOT a balloon, and insisted on referring to it as an object.

I’m not claiming anything? I’m saying UAP deserve further investigation due to the fact that the Pentagon has released video on the subject, we’ve shot objects down without explanation as to what they were, and the former President of the US has spoken on this topic.

You’re trying to railroad any discussion of this for… reasons? Is not worth investigating things we don’t know about anymore?

Oh man look at the measured reasoning here. You sure convinced me!

What’s your scientific peer reviewed explanation for the videos released by the Pentagon then, champ?

Pulitzer Prize winning journalists who broke the TicTac video to the NY Times are lying I guess?

Obama must have been smoking something when he said things fly in our skies and we don’t know what they are?

None of this is worth any sort of investigation?

Good job not responding to any of the substance of what is being discussed. If people like you were in charge, we’d never have progressed past the Earth being flat or diseases being caused by humours.

You’re still not addressing the crux of what I’m saying.

The military itself is releasing videos and shooting things down. We deserve an explanation as to what happened. We can’t even talk rationally about these things as UAP. Surely we should agree that we should investigate claims of activity in our airspace witnessed by hundreds of pilots, commercial and military. I want to know about whether this threatens flight operations or my nation’s sovereignty if it is military in nature.

Could it be non-human intelligence? Sure, but that’s only one possible explanation, and we have to go through a lot of other mundane explanations before we get there. We can’t even begin to do that because for decades, also without providing proof - I might add, governments and militaries have mocked the central issue of unknown items in our skies and assassinated the character of civilians and former military who have come forward with their own experiences.

The people who tend to jump to the conclusion of “aliens” seem to be the ones distracting from taking this issue seriously and getting to the truth.

Both things can be true - it could break physics and we can shoot them. Or there might be different types. We don’t know until we take it seriously.

If you pay close attention, I have never once in this thread alleged that they are aliens or interstellar. I don’t think that is a fruitful starting point.

But yes, there have been sightings in our skies for decades. Why would hundreds of people at risk of great personal reputations damage over decades lie about what they see? What is the personal gain?

This is exactly what I’m trying to do - discuss the topic rationally because the stunt this guy pulled is a great disservice to the progress that has been made. First we need to account for what is actually known by experts, and we’ll never get there if people come to the table mocking it before any work is done.

I think people deserve to know if they have been gaslit by the government on this issue since the 1940s. We’re moving past a patriarchal society of blind deference to everything the government says and they have lied about many government programs in the past that have caused harm to citizens (LSD experiments in Canada as one relevant to my government).

I’m saying this as someone who believes in science and vaccines, however, I also grew up during the Iraq War and the thinly veiled excuses that the US made for that undertaking. I have a healthy distrust of the government, and I also pay taxes and deserve to know what I’m funding and whether we’re achieving intended results. There’s a lot of money and a lot of need.

I think what the whistleblowers and former government military personnel are alleging is compelling, especially if black programs funnelling money to private contractors are involved.

And from a human perspective, yeah I do want to know if there’s more to our existence because it just might change how I choose to live my life.

I don’t see the harm of the government saying: these videos are advanced technology. Why would they even release the videos of their own advanced technology and pretend they don’t know what it is? Wouldn’t it be tipping off an adversary to even show the video?

I think we’re in a weird space where if they don’t know what they are and they come from a foreign military then we’re in trouble (however, this has been going on for decades). If that’s the case then yeah make that case to the public and I’d want to fund the hell out of it.

Otherwise if we suspect that they’re completely innocuous and there’s a scientific or mundane explanation why not make fighter jet radar data available to scientists with clearance so they can study it? Why not go on the record and refute each and every video and claim? Why not make public the reports that are taken from fighter pilot sightings? Or even extraneous data like the number of military and civilian sightings that have been tracked?

Why wouldn’t the military just say that then?

“This was military technology tests and we will not elaborate further”

But they have not said that in these instances. Specifically, the orb video and tic tac videos are unknown. Why would the Pentagon itself release videos of something they know about if they didn’t want to comment on military secrets being tested?

So either the largest military in the world is shitting the bed and utterly failing to protect its own airspace and pilots from foreign military technology - and we should to figure out what it is; or the UAPs are something else, but the conclusion is the same:

We need to figure out what it is!

I’m not discussing this guy and his alien body. It’s clear he’s not credible. So yeah of course, the 70% DNA thing is bs. I haven’t been discussing this guy in this thread.

I think you’re asking the wrong questions because you’re presupposing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin (we may not require the expertise of astronomers).

These are not poor quality video - these are video taken by military cameras and radar systems which the Pentagon itself has released and discussed. Hundreds of trained pilots, including elite fighter pilots, reporting sightings over decades and decades - before the existence of advanced surveillance and drone technology. Obama stating in a television interview that things are flying in our skies and we don’t know what they are.

What we need is more transparency from the Pentagon and our governments in terms of what they have collected. We need access to the radar data of fighter planes (which as of right now is classified - no scientists have access). We need to know if UAP have ever been recovered.

Don’t you ever wonder what was shot down over Alaska and the Yukon this year? Canada’s defence minister clearly stated in her press conference that it was NOT a balloon like the one from the Atlantic coast that China confessed to - it was “an object.” Why are they concerned indigenous hunters may find it if it is innocuous?

These UAP either have large national security implications or they could be a completely new area of scientific study. These bare-bones facts warrant further exploration. And really if we never dreamed of exploring further we wouldn’t have many modern discoveries like the discovery microbes exist. That scientist was mocked by people too. We have to be willing to question our existing paradigms or we will never advance.