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Hah so did I. I got 1/3 of the way through the body of the post before I realized OP just ain’t cool

Well this has economic and soft power benefits. Standing up against genocide apparently was t beneficial enough.

I mean, I mostly agree with this. You can boil any problem down to existence. And existence down to molecular processes.

But two things: discussing modern problems, it’s all built on systems. And the system we deal with is capitalism.

Human fallibility is the problem, ultimately. But there is no overcoming human fallibility. So building systems that place peoples well being above all else is an actionable solution. Whereas solving human fallibility isn’t.

And secondly, hierarchy in all its forms. Which I would argue is the problem boiled down past the system to look at its problematic parts. Does a system rely on or serve needs in a hierarchical manner? Then that’s the problem.

That’s as far as I think is logical to go. Digging down further to human nature is a problem for a utopian society to deal with, and that we are nowhere near to achieving. So, my point is we need to deal with the first layer of problems. And that would be capitalism. Abolishing hierarchy in all its forms comes second.

The first because the system rewards the worst parts of our nature. The second because it’s almost uniformly led to corruption. Those are the root problems, from my point of view. Human fallibility is, I’m afraid, baked into the cookie. But removing systems that reward those errors instead of eradicating them should be job one.

Yeah, because I consider myself a pretty reasonable person. People have a big problem these days of never engaging with nuance, no matter how much you try to bring any conversation back to it. Things are definitely not as binary as people seem to only be able to conceive of them. The entire world and even the most seemingly clear cut issues have loads of grey area that people just can’t discuss because as soon as you say, “yes, I agree we need to ____! But we need to discuss the trickier parts” it turns into a witch hunt for anyone pointing out anything that might be considered a tricky part because it goes against the “I’m 100% on this side and it’s the only right opinion.”

It’s frustrating.

Proving your point…about what? I was just curious to hear someone’s thoughts who went against the idea that most modern problems can be traced back to the roots of capitalism. But fuck me, right?

It’s also a well-worn fascist tactic: completely bald-faced lying in the face of undeniable truth. It’s just double speak on a toddlers level. But it’s frustrating as fuck because it works—and it works because we have a media ecosystem in this country that thrives on a bias toward “fairness” over a bias toward telling the truth as we can all plainly see it.

“Say all house republicans came to the floor tomorrow saying they believe the earth is flat. The Times would lead with “democrats and republicans can’t agree on shape of earth.”

The numbers seem to tell a different story, actually. Mind you, this is one poll and it’s among people who did not vote giving a reason for not voting after having not voted, but the numbers aren’t insignificant

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll?r=2y9nd&showWelcomeOnShare=false

You’ve clearly never met any queer folks who do meth.

Rude.

Well hey. When you have corporate money flowing into your pockets, it’s easy to change your mind (if you’re a disgusting vile piece of human trash). My curiosity lies in his newfound enablers (Elon, Zucker-borg) having spent insane amounts of money lobbying for the ban.

It would be funny if not nice to see those relationships fall apart because their affection was outbid by a larger dollar amount of affection.

I don’t understand this sentence. The two words I don’t know in this context are “gore” and “matrix”

Not trying to get into a whole ugly thing, just curious what your pro-capitalism stance is. Because I would definitely fall into this big Lemmy category of seeing 90-905% of modern problems being rooted in capitalism. So I would (civilly!) disagree, no doubt. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a reasonable discussion!

Eh. Then you’re bringing in the whole “discuss your differences with a nazi” thing. And that’s never good ground to be on. If their brain is already broke, one more punch to the head ain’t gonna make much of a difference.

But seriously. Nazis are nazis. And it’s clear these guys were having a discussion. I trust this good Samaritan’s judgement in dispatching the Insecticide.

You made me laugh right as the poop was comin out

Think about it another way.

“It’s alright to call him the N-word because he doesn’t care about the right wing using it as a weapon.”

It’s not okay. It’s immoral. There are other morally gray methods, as we’ve seen in recent months, that are tools to use against oppressors and the capitalist class. Food for thought.

The thing is, universal action like this, even on a fraction of the scale necessary to make a dent and ultimately change things, just doesn’t work because people will always bow to capitalism. They’ll kick the dirt and grumble under their breath as they pull out their wallets.

I know you’re saying just wait until it’s on sale, but the power of “keeping up with the joneses” is unfortunately a tried a true way of capitalism. When people are talking about the game in the first weeks and posting memes and making in-jokes, people that were trying to hold out will cave like a poorly managed mining operation.

While there’s no clear evidence of plans to attack NATO, Russia is creating the conditions for it.

This is also a very telling sentence.

“There’s not evidence this is even on their minds or that they would ever attempt such a monumentally stupid move, buuut…just use your 🌈 imagination 💫”

Wait…you know more lines to that song that I honestly ever remembered hearing.

Nope. One of the most horrifying stories ever meme.

It’s not just “not healthy.” It’s fuckin animal abuse.

So you’re pointing to exactly what I said was the absolute user end result of the American conditioning system and saying it’s the conditioning itself. Americans are racist by socialization. But it takes a personal effort to make sure you see past that and overcome that racist socialization. That’s not the conditioning itself.

And I brought up Russia because they’re the “axis” sister superpower to china. I brought it up to make the comparison because in the US, the conditioning is very much that those two superpowers are the “other side” to the US/EU. The spirit of the antagonistic conditioning against those two countries is incredibly similar.

Again, what I think you’re doing is confusing the end result with the conditioning. In the great pyramid of US messaging, we see the exhaust. The conditioning is going on in the fuel injector. Alllll of those twists and turns and mechanisms means that messaging is funneled through so many different hands and rich people with their own motives before we really get a chance to experience it. To confuse what we see on a day to day basis, especially today in our social media age, with US conditioning is a very misinformed way of seeing it, I think. All of the echoes of that conditioning are altered and ricocheted by every person they pass through. Our daily experience is all happening after the exhaust has been expelled. And you’re attributing it all to the US messaging as if we experience top-down, highly controlled, streamlined communications. We just don’t. No matter what the hyperbole says, we don’t have state run media (China does, though. Russia does, though.)

Are we experiencing the greatest propaganda machine ever invented? Probably sounds crazy for me to say after everything I’ve just laid out, but yes, we are. However, the media just doesn’t work like you’re making it out to work. I don’t mean any slight against you, but it’s a really immature way of thinking about the world around you. I’m sorry if that seems like a pointed remark, I didn’t mean for it to. It’s the most common type of thinking—and I mean it’s the first step in starting to question the world around you as it’s fed to you. Which is great to do, but there’s a lot of work to do after that. And—again, no offense—communism tends to be that first step too. A lot of us took those steps when we were first getting our feet wet in the greater world around us at like 13, whereas many others take it much, much later. And in the US, that “much much later” came for a big number of people at however old people were around 2016.