Spzi @ Spzi @lemm.ee

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Some people, communities or instances will. Others will not. That's kind of the nature of the fediverse, it's not homogenous but diverse.

Don't mind OP. Write it for the audience. I loved your first response and would appreciate to read more.

I agreed with you yesterday

I think we only had contact an hour ago or so, or I'm unaware. What I mean to say is, I'm afraid you might confuse me with someone else.

That wasn’t the argument.

Then why do you make that point so often? People tell you they don't want to talk about politics, and you respond with 'everything is politics'. While technically true, it's a way to completely misunderstand what they said, get yourself into trouble and be annoying to everyone else in the process. People even don't have to agree with your definition of politics. When they express their desire to not talk about something, it's good advice to try to understand what they actually meant, not start a discussion about what the word means from your perspective.

How many people share your point of view 'about what politics is', and how many strongly disagree? What authority do you have on the subject? If there are many people using language differently, isn't that alone enough reason to reconsider your uncompromising position?

Everything is political.

And yet it is possible and fine to define which topics belong to a community, and which topics do not.

Note this doesn't change anything about this group being political by your definition.

So if a group decides they only want to discuss cute cat pics, and specifically do not want to discuss social topics regarding humans (what people roughly mean when they express their antipathy for politics), that's one of many ways to make a cat community. It's still a political group in your book, necessarily. It's still not okay to talk about labor unions in that cat community.

…what if I just don’t like seeing news that only makes me feel angry or bad on my feed.

That’s not the meaning of the word politics. [...] This other thing you’re talking about, bad news, that’s not what politics is. Sure, bad news is political, but that’s because everything is political.

I feel you missed a chance to get a less aggressive perspective on all of this.

The other person told you they "just come here to see tech, cars, and art.". Probably hinting at a casual experience, with little to no opinionated or controversial topics. Maybe they have a mental health too, maybe they have a super political day job, or whatever. There are many reasons for people to seek another experience on Lemmy than you do. This does not necessarily imply they are your political enemies and need a lesson from you.

The belief that bad news and politics are the same thing has been used to justify transphobia, sexism, and racism.

While in a specific way it is true that everything is politics, this does not mean it is okay to make everything about politics. You cannot connect a persons desire to have Lemmy without politics to justifications about transphobia, sexism, and racism. That's crossing several lines.

Have you looked into non-violent communication?

If you don’t like this blahaj server’s rules or anything, just leave. Its just the internet.

Yes, but, but ...

'What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!'

I argue that law should be used against those who react to these burnings in an aggressive manner. Violence is already covered.

If they stop taking unnecessary offense, I assume the burnings will stop too.

Bcrypt has a maximum of 72 bytes. It’ll truncate passwords longer than that. Remember that UTF8 encoding of special characters can easily take more than one byte.

Interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bcrypt#Maximum_password_length

        In the worst case a password is limited to 18 characters, when every character requires 4 bytes of UTF-8 encoding. For example:

    𐑜𐑝𐑟𐑥𐑷𐑻𐑽𐑾𐑿𐑿𐑰𐑩𐑛𐑙𐑘𐑙𐑒𐑔 (18 characters, 72 bytes)


  

Makes me question if bcrypt deserves to be widely used. Is there really no superior alternative?

its also a bit of wishful thinking

Then it's more a fediverse utopia than a fediverse analogy :-P

Honestly, I think we should stay true to what it is, not to what it might become. We don't know if, and when.

It's better to not wake expectations than to disappoint them.

Good points, but what's the alternative? At least Ukraine has a chance to even have internal politics after the war.

what’s stuck out to you as stumbling blocks, or basic user experience fumbles?

For Lemmy:

• Onboarding. Newcomers should not have to decide which instance to use. They know nothing to make that decision. An algorithm should make an educated guess. Even a random pick might be better than forcing them to choose. Manual choice should still be available as an advanced signup method, but the default should be as quick and simple as possible.
• Account Migration. The lack thereof only increases the pressure for making a good choice for your first instance. If we could easily migrate accounts, this would also ease the signup burden. 3rd party tools exist, but this should be a core feature.
• Discovery. There exist dozens of tools for discovering communities, which shows how bad the built-in search function is. This should be a core feature with no need for 3rd party tools. I should not have to care wether someone else from my instance already searched for the same community or wether I'm the first.
• Stream Aggregation. I signed up to loads of niche communities (which do get new posts), but never see any of those in my stream, no matter which mode I choose. I even started to unsubscribe from big communities to give smaller content a chance, to no avail. This effectively hides original and interesting content from view, and makes the overall experience more boring.
• Remote Instance Posts and Comments. When looking up a specific post or comment, I probably cannot do so while being logged in. Which means, I can read it, but cannot interact with it.
• Remote Instance Communities. When browsing the communities of another instance (for example, a themed instance like mander.xyz), I can only do so while being logged out. When I find an interesting community, I have to manually copy the link, search for it in another logged-in tab, find it again, to finally subscribe.
• Lack of Niche Content. It's getting better, but we still have a long way to go. This probably needs more general growth, but some technical aspects (like Stream Aggregation, Discovery and Remote Instance Browsing) also make it harder for niche communities to gain traction.
• GDPR Compliance. A private person and a public institution (which publishes educational content and videos) explicitly mentioned to me that they cannot join Lemmy since Lemmy cannot assure GDPR Compliance. I don't know wether that's true, just reporting the reason.

Overall, it still requires significant willingness to either accept missing features and content, or jump through technical hoops to regain some.

My experience on other fediverse platforms was similar, which most often resulted in me staying away from that particular service for now.

While I don't fully share that sentiment, I acknowledge it's a point frequently brought up.

So, looking for a compromise ... is there hope in growth? Like, with numbers big enough, it should become feasible to have an instance which strictly blocks all political leanings of 'your despised flavor', and still have enough content to look at.

Would that be a solution for you, for example @awwwyissss@lemm.ee or @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world? Lemmy as a whole would still have 'bad stuff', but there would be a 'clean instance' which you can recommend, from which no 'bad stuff' can be seen.

I simply skipped thinking about better wordings for 'some expressions'. Please bear with me. I didn't mean to judge.

Oooh, I didn't know! Just tested, confirmed :(

So OP probably did everything right, but the world wasn't ready yet.

Good point, thanks for spelling it out. I was only vaguely aware of what you just described.

That seems to be something unique, tied to the federated structure. Could be confusing for people coming from monolithic platforms. They may not realize what they are seeing.

Something like this? https://codepen.io/darrengriffith/pen/KpKxqR

I can edit the code and see the changes without rewhatevering.

The default web UI supports cross-posting:

Links to cross-posts will appear directly below (before the text body of the post).

I don’t think there’s really a good reason to keep communities split.

The federated nature of the fediverse with all it's implications.

An instance hosting a community might

• become unstable
• disappear forever
• defederate or become defederated from/by my instance
• same for the instances of other users of that community

Communities can have the same topic, but differ in

• moderation style
• policies regarding if and how bots are allowed

I think it's good to have some redundancy both as a backup and to have some choice. As with all things fediverse, we don't need to find a consensus. Those who like to have one big instance or community can join the biggest. Those who prefer some diversity can spread out and create duplicates. Reality will most likely always be something in between.

Another approach could be to ask: Why are communities split? If you're right and there's really no good reason, then how comes this phenomenon occurs so often? Maybe the prevalence of the phenomenon hints at reasons which exist, but are not well understood.

It can also make comment sections confusing where people talk about the comment section. When different viewers see different versions of the comment section (for example through different combinations of federation), it can be extra confusing to merge them all into one stream.

I wish it was. This is a disconnected duplicate, not a proper cross-post. Actual cross-posts are linked to each other in the title section, making it easier for participants to visit the other discussion(s).