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They haven't really unless you count the post-dbza content with the shorts and the streaming. Hellsing ultimate abridged was made along side DBZA timeline wise about the time Twilight was still popular.

Hellsing Abridged from TFS, classic. If you're gonna watch it you should do it on twitch since they used a copyrighted song for an epic sync that happens in one of the later episodes that got muted on youtube. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/294882536?collection=Y4Lf2g4TSRXQGQ

and then everyone clapped

*Downvoter. You have exactly one downvote like half of all lemmy comments ever and felt the need to edit your comment just to talk down to an imaginary strawman over a meme. Ill never understand you or anyone like you who does this. Here, enjoy your second downvote so your semantic mistake can be retroactively fixed atleast.

Sure, whatever nerd.

The secret nerd technique they don't want you to know is to get a big usb stick housing for a proper m.2 SSD stick. Form wise its a slightly chunkier usb stick. Inside is a proper drive you can buy from a reputable source with terrabytes of storage and 3.0 speeds. A reputable SSD drive will easily last a decade.

As far as store bought regular old sandisk will last a long long time.

If I remember George Carlins bit correctly the amount of golf courses in the US took up two rhode islands and a delaware worth of space once counted up. He argued we should turn it into homeless shelters and public housing, and to let the golfers test actual skill at the mini-golf. Actually looking at it semantically I wonder if the word mini-golf exist just to demean it compared to big boy real golf.

arXiv is the standard for researcheres in my field to publish their works as an open collective. I'd like to formally offer it to the scientific community to both prove myself as a proper member of the field even if I never had formal education and maybe get a bit of clout added to a resume portfolio if its real and game-changing.

I know how academics are though so im keeping expectations in check, have to have some healthy skepticism to keep myself in check about this in case its not or only passingly noteworthy.

I have my own website where I do in-depth technical writing and im a community leader in some social media places so worst case scenario ill just add a section to my website and post on the social media places about it. If I make use of the findings to enhance my own systems then Ive proven to myself and the community who adopts them that it works as a functional useful system which is arguably more important and which may snowball.

Your welcome! Its good to have a local DRM free backup of your favorite channels especially the ones you come back to for sleep aid or comfort when stressed. I would download them sooner than later while yt-dlp still works (googles been ramping up its war on adblockers and 3rd party frontends). BTW yt-dlp also works with bandcamp and soundcloud to extract audio :)

It depends on how nerdy you want to get.

Generally no, That checkmark is cloudflares multi-million dollar product that protects half of the internet from bot abuse. If there were a quick and easy work around then the bots would quickly learn and adopt it too. Sadly, it has a real penchant for triggering for regular users when you're using hardened browsers and VPNs as well. It would be nice if network admins cared a little more about sticking it to the man and using bot protection alternatives instead of just proxying through a cloudflare tunnel and calling it a day.

If you're slightly tech savvy and lucky then the site allows web crawlers/indexers or has RSS feeds. This lets you use an RSS feeder or a text scraper like NewsWaffle

What youre describing with saving a cookie to prove your identity is actually do-able, yt-dlp uses this to download age restricted content but getting that cookie extracted into a text file is a non-trivial nerdy thing the average person cant be trusted to do.

I don't have a lot of knowledge on the topic but happy to point you in good direction for reference material. I heard about tensor layer offloading first from here a few months ago. In that post is linked another to MoE expert layer offloadingI highly recommend you read through both post. MoE offloading it was based off

The gist of the Tensor Cores strategy is Instead of offloading entire layers with --gpulayers, you use --overridetensors to keep specific large tensors (particularly FFN tensors) on CPU while moving everything else to GPU.

This works because:

• Attention tensors: Small, benefit greatly from GPU parallelization
• FFN tensors: Large, can be efficiently processed on CPU with basic matrix multiplication

You need to figure out which cores exactly need to be offloaded for your model looking at weights and cooking up regex according to the post.

Heres an example of a kobold startup flags for doing this. The key part is the override tensors flag and the regex contained in it

    
python ~/koboldcpp/koboldcpp.py --threads 10 --usecublas --contextsize 40960 --flashattention --port 5000 --model ~/Downloads/MODELNAME.gguf --gpulayers 65 --quantkv 1 --overridetensors "\.[13579]\.ffn_up|\.[1-3][13579]\.ffn_up=CPU"
...
[18:44:54] CtxLimit:39294/40960, Amt:597/2048, Init:0.24s, Process:68.69s (563.34T/s), Generate:56.27s (10.61T/s), Total:124.96s

  

The exact specifics of how you determine which tensors for each model and the associated regex is a little beyond my knowledge but the people who wrote the tensor post did a good job trying to explain that process in detail. Hope this helps.

I would recommend you get a cheap wattage meter that plugs inbetween wall outlet and PSU powering your cards for 10-15$ (the 30$ name brand kill-a-watts are overpriced and unneeded IMO). You can try to get rough approximations doing some math with your cards listed TPD specs added together but that doesn't account for motherboard, cpu, ram, drives, so on all and the real change between idle and load. With a meter you can just kind of watch the total power draw with all that stuff factored in, take note of increase and max out as your rig inferences a bit. Have the comfort of being reasonably confident in the actual numbers. Then you can plug the values in a calculation

I have not tried any models larger than very low quant qwen 32b . My personal limits for partial offloading speeds are 1 tps and the 32b models encroach on that. Once I get my vram upgraded from 8gb to 16-24gb ill test the waters with higher parameters and hit some new limits to benchmark :) I haven't tried out MoE models either, I keep hearing about them. AFAIK they're popular with people because you can do advanced partial offloading strategies between different experts to really bump the token generation. So playing around with them has been on my ml bucket list for awhile.

Oh, I LOVE to talk, so I hope you don't mind if I respond with my own wall of text :) It got really long, so I broke it up with headers.

TLDR: Bifurcation is needed because of how fitting multiple GPUs on one PCIe x16 lane works and consumer CPU PCIe lane management limits. Context offloading is still partial offloading, so you'll still get hit with the same speed penalty—with the exception of one specific advanced partial offloading inference strategy involving MoE models.

CUDA

To be clear about CUDA, it's an API optimized for software to use NVIDIA cards. When you use an NVIDIA card with Kobold or another engine, you tell it to use CUDA as an API to optimally use the GPU for compute tasks. In Kobold's case, you tell it to use cuBLAS for CUDA.

The PCIe bifurcation stuff is a separate issue when trying to run multiple GPUs on limited hardware. However, CUDA has an important place in multi-GPU setups. Using CUDA with multiple NVIDIA GPUs is the gold standard for homelabs because it's the most supported for advanced PyTorch fine-tuning, post-training, and cutting-edge academic work.

But it's not the only way to do things, especially if you just want inference on Kobold. Vulkan is a universal API that works on both NVIDIA and AMD cards, so you can actually combine them (like a 3060 and an AMD RX) to pool their VRAM. The trade-off is some speed compared to a full NVIDIA setup on CUDA/cuBLAS.

PCIe Bifurcation

Bifurcation is necessary in my case mainly because of physical PCIe port limits on the board and consumer CPU lane handling limits. Most consumer desktops only have one x16 PCIe slot on the motherboard, which typically means only one GPU-type device can fit nicely. Most CPUs only have 24 PCIe lanes, which is just enough to manage one x16 slot GPU, a network card, and some M.2 storage.

There are motherboards with multiple physical x16 PCIe slots and multiple CPU sockets for special server-class CPUs like Threadrippers with huge PCIe lane counts. These can handle all those PCIe devices directly at max speeds, but they're purpose-built server-class components that cost $1,000+ USD just for the motherboard. When you see people on homelab forums running dozens of used server-class GPUs, rest assured they have an expensive motherboard with 8+ PCIe x16 slots, two Threadripper CPUs, and lots of bifurcation. (See the bottom for parts examples.)

Information on this stuff and which motherboards support it is spotty—it's incredibly niche hobbyist territory with just a couple of forum posts to reference. To sanity check, really dig into the exact board manufacturer's spec PDF and look for mentions of PCIe features to be sure bifurcation is supported. Don't just trust internet searches. My motherboard is an MSI B450M Bazooka (I'll try to remember to get exact numbers later). It happened to have 4x4x4x4 compatibility—I didn't know any of this going in and got so lucky!

For multiple GPUs (or other PCIe devices!) to work together on a modest consumer desktop motherboard + CPU sharing a single PCIe x16, you have to:

1. Get a motherboard that allows you to intelligently split one x16 PCIe lane address into several smaller-sized addresses in the BIOS
2. Get a bifurcation expansion card meant for the specific splitting (4x4x4x4, 8x8, 8x4x4)
3. Connect it all together cable-wise and figure out mounting/case modification (or live with server parts thrown together on a homelab table)

A secondary reason I'm bifurcating: the used server-class GPU I got for inferencing (Tesla P100 16GB) has no display output, and my old Ryzen CPU has no integrated graphics either. So my desktop refuses to boot with just the server card—I need at least one display-output GPU too. You won't have this problem with the 3060. In my case, I was planning a multi-GPU setup eventually anyway, so going the extra mile to figure this out was an acceptable learning premium.

Bifurcation cuts into bandwidth, but it's actually not that bad. Going from x16 to x4 only results in about 15% speed decrease, which isn't bad IMO. Did you say you're using a x1 riser though? That splits it to a sixteenth of the bandwidth—maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by x1.

I wouldn't obsess over multi-GPU setups too hard. You don't need to shoot for a data center at home right away, especially when you're still getting a feel for this stuff. It's a lot of planning, money, and time to get a custom homelab figured out right. Just going from Steam Deck inferencing to a single proper GPU will be night and day. I started with my decade-old ThinkPad inferencing Llama 3.1 8B at about 1 TPS, and it inspired me enough to dig out the old gaming PC sitting in the basement and squeeze every last megabyte of VRAM out of it. My 8GB 1070 Ti held me for over a year until I started doing enough professional-ish work to justify a proper multi-GPU upgrade.

Offloading Context

Offloading context is still partial offloading, so you'll hit the same speed issues. You want to use a model that leaves enough memory for context completely within your GPU VRAM. Let's say you use a quantized 8B model that's around 8GB on your 12GB card—that leaves 4GB for context, which I'd say is easily about 16k tokens. That's what most lower-parameter local models can realistically handle anyway. You could partially offload into RAM, but it's a bad idea—cutting speed to a tenth just to add context capability you don't need. If you're doing really long conversations, handling huge chunks of text, or want to use a higher-parameter model and don't care about speed, it's understandable. But once you get a taste of 15-30 TPS, going back to 1-3 TPS is... difficult.

MoE

Note that if you're dead set on partial offloading, there's a popular way to squeeze performance through Mixture of Experts (MoE) models. It's all a little advanced and nerdy for my taste, but the gist is that you can use clever partial offloading strategies with your inferencing engine. You split up the different expert layers that make up the model between RAM and VRAM to improve performance—the unused experts live in RAM while the active expert layers live in VRAM. Or something like that.

I like to talk (in case you haven't noticed). Feel free to keep the questions coming—I'm happy to help and maybe save you some headaches.

Oh, in case you want to fantasize about parts shopping for a multi-GPU server-class setup, here are some links I have saved for reference. GPUs used for ML can be fine on 8 PCI lanes (https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/jp4igh/d_does_x8_lanes_instead_of_x16_lanes_worsen_rtx/)

A Threadripper Pro has 128 PCI lanes: (https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-PRO-3975WX/dp/B08V5H7GPM)

You can get dual sWRX8 motherboards: (https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007625+601362102)

You can get a PCIe 4x expansion card on Amazon: (https://www.amazon.com/JMT-PCIe-Bifurcation-x4x4x4x4-Expansion-20-2mm/dp/B0C9WS3MBG)

All together, that's 256 PCI lanes per machine, as many PCIe slots as you need. At that point, all you need to figure out is power delivery.

Thanks for being that guy, good to know. Those specific numbers shown were just done tonight with DeepHermes 8b q6km (finetuned from llama 3.1 8b) with max context at 8192, in the past before I reinstalled I managed to squeeze ~10k context with the 8b by booting without a desktop enviroment. I happen to know that DeepHermes 22b iq3 (finetuned from mistral small) runs at like 3 tps partially offloaded with 4-5k context.

Deephermes 8b is the fast and efficient general model I use for general conversation, basic web search, RAG, data table formatting/basic markdown generation, simple computations with deepseek r1 distill reasoning CoT turned on.

Deephermes 22b is the local powerhouse model I use for more complex task requiring either more domain knowledge or reasoning ability. For example to help break down legacy code and boilerplate simple functions for game creation.

I have vision model + TTS pipeline for OCR scanning and narration using qwen 2.5vl 7b + outetts+wavtokenizer which I was considering trying to calculate though I need to add up both the llm tps and the audio TTS tps.

I plan to load up a stable diffusion model and see how image generation compares but the calculations will probably be slightly different.

I hear theres one or two local models floating around that work with roo-cline for the advanced tool usage, if I can find a local model in the 14b range that works with roo even if just for basic stuff it will be incredible.

Hope that helps inform you sorry if I missed something.

No worries :) a model fully loaded onto 12gb vram on a 3060 will give you a huge boost around 15-30tps depending on the bandwidth throughput and tensor cores of the 3060. Its really such a big difference once you get a properly fit quantized model your happy with you probably won't be thinking of offloading ram again if you just want llm inferencing. Check to make sure your motherboard supports pcie burfurcation before you make any multigpu plans I got super lucky with my motherboard allowing 4x4x4x4 bifuraction for 4 GPUs potentially but I could have been screwed easy if it didnt.

I just got second PSU just for powering multiple cards on a single bifurcated pcie for a homelab type thing. A snag I hit that you might be able to learn from: PSUs need to b turned on by the motherboard befor e being able to power a GPU. You need a 15$ electrical relay board that sends power from the motherboard to the second PSU or it won't work.

Its gonna be slow as molasses partially offloaded onto regular ram no matter what its not like ddr4 vs ddr3 is that much different speed wise. It might maybe be a 10-15% increase if that. If your partially offloading and not doing some weird optimized MOE type of offloading expect 1-5token per second (really more like 2-3).

If youre doing real inferencing work and need speed then vram is king. you want to fit it all within the GPU. How much vram is the 3060 youre looking at?

Can you talk about how you made this

points in a direction your mind can't understand, with the finger seeming to disappear as it bisects into a higher plane

"over there to the left after the bathrooms"