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One day old account. Definitely not espousing propaganda.

Also note how similar to a Nazi they sound (mind you i am not calling this person one). Nazis always argue we should debate their ideas but we know that shit doesn't work and is a way to legitimize their genocidal rhetoric.

Then there's the whataboutism and concern trolling. We should think about UnItY when tankies have the fascistic ideals and cause this divisiveness. This hit all and people got pissed.

Or liberal BS like we shouldn't make this post because of LeFtiSt UniTy when tankies are the ones who have crap, authoritarian, and genocidal views. All the concern trolling really shows why this post was made.

To militaries and the vast majority of western ethics... There's a huge mental difference between terrorist attacks that discriminately shoot innocent children and families, from bombing those who are unlucky and happen to be near the bad guy.

You're literally rationalizing Israel (and other countries like Russia and US) going in and killing children deliberately as unlucky. Israel knows they are killing children. The moment the fucking number of "casualties" is half children then they should fucking stop.

For places like this though, their hatred runs deep. Civilian casualties are part of the business when you're packed that deep and using innocent people as shields.

But, no, you aren't doing apologia. It's just part of the business! So let's turn around and ignore what's happening 🙌

This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don't remove that responsibility from them by saying it's just civilian casualties.

Where are all those people wailing about Hamas being monsters for killing babies? This should make them even angrier and louder.

Gyat damn she is thick af.

You are making excuses because you have vacuumed out all the nuance to this. You are ignoring the third party in this situation which are the Palestinians, the victims in all this. You say Israel is more evil, and that Israel has more power here, and you still relinquish their control and influence of this situation. You are effectively saying, "hey, as long as both sides don't change leaders keep doing what you are doing!" This can't be said and done when Israel is actively committing a genocide.

I've shown you already how easy it is to condemn both sides but hold enough poise and nuance to understand supporting the Palestinians has nothing to do with supporting Hamas. I've explained the reasons why this situation has occurred. Let me emphasize again:

A genocide is occurring in Palestine. A genocide is occurring in Palestine.* Once again for those in the back, a genocide is occurring in Palestine. A genocide purported by Israel, a genocide in which they have all control and power in stopping.

By doing what I stated. You remove the conditions for extremism to exist to make Hamas as unfavorable as possible. Then Israel can help host an election making it as fair as possible so a proper representative of their people can be elected. If there is enough favorability, good will, and no hopelessness, then hopefully Palestine will elect a better representative. This may take generations though.

If there is no reason to follow and support Hamas, then there is no reason for it to exist.

Fuck peace with Hamas. They need to be eradicated. We see what happened in Afghanistan and the Taliban. They would continue oppressing the Palestinians and hoard resources and other crap. I understand the sentiment as well, of wanting to make sure you don't share a space or "border" with a terrorist organization.

What needs to be done is Israel needs to create the conditions where a diplomatic solution can be achieved. This means they need to stop assassinating journalists and diplomatic delegates. They must also make more concessions and promises (that can be made through legislation) that makes sure their power, water, electricity, internet and other basic necessities won't ever be cut off. The internet one is a huge one because we need to make sure the Palestinians have a way to record and document things from their perspectives. We can see right now what cutting their internet has done. A lot of misinformation and propaganda.

Israel will need to make even more concessions like actually giving land back and minority protection. Stop using them as cheap labor (which is eerily similar to how Americans use immigrants). Help provide aid and funds to build schools and hospitals. You know how big this last one would be? The perspective towards Israel from the world, let alone Palestine, would be huge and open so many bridges of diplomacy.

Israel needs to stop taking away the basic things needed to achieve all this. They need to stop murdering innocent people. If I lost my home, my wife, and if I especially lost my son to an errant attack from Israel I of course would be pissed. Imagine now I am hungry, thirsty, living on the streets, sick. I understand why some Palestinians would take up arms, because at that point I would be starring at the end of my barrel. The deaths of innocents need to stop.

Maaaan fuck this shit. I hate centrists so much. Is there an EnlightenedCentrist community on lemmy yet?

You say you look at both sides to "stay utmost rational" when it is so fucking easy to clearly condemn the actions of Hamas, a terrorist jihadist group, and see how Israel keeps promulgating the conditions for extremists groups to crop up, oh and they are also committing a genocide. Like if you care about innocent people dying, like these festival people, OR MAYBE kids, then you'd want Israel to stop this shit. Your centrist attitude is the logic that will get more people killed. You take a more passive approach and just raise your hands while Israel is mowing down people saying "I can't see the difference between the two! They are the same! So what is best is I take no action and take no stance while I sit on this iron wall and watch all of this happen.

Before I get all the regular responses, I am just going to copy and paste my other comment. I won't be bothering responding to you if you don't read it and make a comment I already address.

The median age of Palestine is 18. More than half of the people living in Palestine didn’t vote for Hamas, and it isn’t like this jihadist group will allow fair elections as they consolidate power. And even then, Israel isn’t allowing an avenue of diplomatic relations when they control essentials like water, keep taking land from them, killing journalists and diplomatic leaders, and bombing schools and hospitals (Israel has a well documented history of bombing Palestinian schools and hospitals).

The only way diplomacy will work is if Israel gives major concessions and they never will. Israel is creating the situation where extremists will rise and come into power. We saw this many times with America and Al Quaeda, Isis, taliban.

Let me ask the questions: Is Palestine its own state? If so, then Israel shouldn’t have control to all of these resources like power and water. If so, then they should actually autonomous. If so, why does Israel keep taking land, killing them?

Is Palestine part of the state of Israel? Then why do they do this to their own people? Because they “elected” Hamas? Then why does Israel put them in a condition to allow extremists to form? Imagine you are given a choice to die of starvation, dehydration, a bullet or rocket. That radicalizes people and gives them the ignition to take on arms.

And keep in mind I am not condoning Hamas. They are a jihadist terrorist group who are also harming the Palestian people. If they cared about Palestine, they would not have done the Oct 7th attack because they’d know Israel would retaliate 100 fold. Hamas are pieces of shit. Israel is creating the conditions that don’t allow diplomatic way forward, and allow the rise of extremist groups.

Fuck that shit. They'd just increase it gradually until it hit 80$. They also don't care about the user experience playing shit ads that are some times horrific (like the recent Israel propaganda ads with war, or 1 hr + ads, or salacious ads). They also inject the ads at the worst possible spots. They should give creators that control but fuck them.

Don't give Youtube or Google that option. This is what they want. They are ruining the internet further.

The median age of Palestine is 18. More than half of the people living in Palestine didn't vote for Hamas, and it isn't like this jihadist group will allow fair elections as they consolidate power. And even then, Israel isn't allowing an avenue of diplomatic relations when they control essentials like water, keep taking land from them, killing journalists and diplomatic leaders, and bombing schools and hospitals (Israel has a well documented history of bombing Palestinian schools and hospitals).

The only way diplomacy will work is if Israel gives major concessions and they never will. Israel is creating the situation where extremists will rise and come into power. We saw this many times with America and Al Quaeda, Isis, taliban.

Let me ask the questions: Is Palestine its own state? If so, then Israel shouldn't have control to all of these resources like power and water. If so, then they should actually autonomous. If so, why does Israel keep taking land, killing them?

Is Palestine part of the state of Israel? Then why do they do this to their own people? Because they "elected" Hamas? Then why does Israel put them in a condition to allow extremists to form? Imagine you are given a choice to die of starvation, dehydration, a bullet or rocket. That radicalizes people and gives them the ignition to take on arms.

And keep in mind I am not condoning Hamas. They are a jihadist terrorist group who are also harming the Palestian people. If they cared about Palestine, they would not have done the Oct 7th attack because they'd know Israel would retaliate 100 fold. Hamas are pieces of shit. Israel is creating the conditions that don't allow diplomatic way forward, and allow the rise of extremist groups.

Oh shit you got him.

Come on, let's not pretend what is happening to indigenous Americans today is the same as the current genocide in Palestine. On top of that, that comment doesn't even refute the idea if also providing reparations to indigenous Americans.

Don't both sides this. Don't make excuses for Israel's genocide. Israel is the one with the power here. They control Gaza completely and have the monopoly of the violence.

That doesn't mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.

Palestine isn't Hamas. Hamas doesn't represent all of Palestine

It's sad it is hard to tell if you are referring to Trump or Reagan.

I'm so glad this instance understands the difference and has good takes on Palestine and Israel. Reddit is chockful of... shit when i decided to browse it earlier.

And why I put it in quotes. A lot of lefties want people to go into the streets and riot and loot and march against corpos but that just isn't the reality of it.