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He just wanted to kill people. That they were black made it more attractive, and the property crime was a convenient excuse.

Okay but can he at least wallow with broken legs?

Wait you mean when he grabbed a rifle and traveled an inordinate distance to the scene of a riot and shot two people to death, he wasn't just an innocent bystander after all?

"Free Speech Absolutist."

And they're done now right? Mission accomplished, bombings and airstrikes concluded, time to go home? Right guys? Guys?

That shitheel is more likely to buy it and just give it back to Jones.

How are you gonna murder one joke by explaining it, while trying to murder a second joke?

Would fireworks nearby help?

Do you really think all Democrats already have EVs? Because while they're surely the most likely to buy them, they're now also decidedly less likely to buy Tesla. So your "amazing genius" actually just alienated his biggest market demographic.

Elon Musk is a fucking idiot who has done more than anyone else in history to disprove the idea of Billionaire Exceptionalism.

I'm sure it's fine, right guys? Guys? This is the AAAA company, it'll be great right?

So finally we get to the answer of my very first question. No, you in fact do not know how voting works, and you're banking on hopes and dreams and happy thoughts instead of an actual understanding of the system you nominally participate in.

I'm honestly starting to wonder if you're just not a native English speaker and this is purely a breakdown in communication, so I'm going to try to keep this as simple as I can. Please tell me if you just don't understand any of these points.

You are allowed to vote for whoever you want. Nobody is going to FORCE you to vote one way or another.

Attempting to persuade you to vote in a particular way, without threats of retaliation for refusing to do so, is not force.

Having to face the consequences of the result of the election is not force.

I am able to care about more than one thing. Being a part of this conversation doesn't mean that I am not also intent on convincing more people to vote. You don't take up much of my time, interest, or attention, I can do other things too.

Third party voters are already voters. They are already going to vote, it is only a question of who they will vote for.

Green Party voters have more in common with Democrats than they do with Republicans. That means the Green Party is more likely to attract Democrat voters than they are to attract Republican voters. This is why a bigger Green Party vote turnout means more people who would have otherwise voted Democrat, didn't. That is what people call the Spoiler effect when talking about the Green Party, and third parties in general. While the Green Party is all but completely incapable of actually winning an election, it pulls more votes away from Democrats than it does Republicans, thus a more successful Green Party campaign means a more likely Republican victory. This is why Ranked Choice voting would allow Third Parties a chance to win, people could vote for them without making their most hated choice more likely to win.

Again, you are ALLOWED to vote for whoever you want. If you're going to vote third party, you are wasting your time, but you are allowed. If you want Third Party candidates to have any chance of ever winning, we need to change away from the First Past the Post voting system. You could also try campaigning to get your positions and ideas out into the public consciousness before the General Election, rather than just surfacing in time to swing results toward Republicans.

I haven't called anyone a Russian Shill, sounds like a guilty conscience. And again, nobody is forcing you to vote in any particular way, you absolutely CAN vote however you want, for whatever reason you want, but there are consequences. You could vote for Jill Stein, you could vote for your neighbor's cat. Both have the same chances of winning the election, and both are another vote Trump doesn't have to worry about overcoming in his effort to win. No matter how hard third parties try, none of them will ever, ever get more votes in a presidential election than the big two, and the more people you sway to your side, the fewer votes the main candidate you otherwise most agree with will get. Welcome to First Past the Post voting, nobody likes it but it's the system we have. If you want third party candidates to stand a shred of a chance, you have to change the system of voting, which would be ideal.

To be clear, I completely understand WHY someone would want to vote third party. The thing is, that literally doesn't matter. Only the result matters. Like you said, people can vote how they want for whatever reason they want, but they still only get one vote. Either your vote will contribute to Trump not winning, or it won't. Nobody said your third party vote is a vote for Republicans, but it's not making their barrier to victory any more difficult, they're already guaranteed to beat any third party opponent as it is.

If you don't care about that, and you just really really want to stage your protest and hope that Mr. Worst Case Scenario still loses, that's on you.

Oh I absolutely see how it happened. It's rooted in that love of "Technically correct." I can absolutely see one of them saying "All I did was have a picture of a scrabble tile with the letter G on it. Is having a single scrabble tile illegal? You can't simply keep us from associating with each other, the first amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble!" All the while they know very obviously what they did, it's just that they thought they could technically get away with it. They figured that if no one of them openly used the whole word, they couldn't possibly face any consequences.

For my part, I don't have all of my fingers scanned into the reader (Which is on the power button), so it's easy to just use a different finger in the event that I want to access my lock screen specifically.

I notice you left out "Persuasion." If you think the presentation of facts regarding the basic function of our voting system is somehow force, coercion, or manipulation, then I can see why you would want to do your part to get Trump elected, and you're a lost cause.

Either Trump or Harris are going to win the election. No third party candidate has any serious chance of winning, and nobody who actually understands how the election works thinks they do. You are ALLOWED to vote third party if you want to (see how nobody is FORCING you not to?) but doing so is just another vote the real contenders don't have to beat. If you're more left leaning, that means it's a vote Harris would have had that Trump doesn't have to beat.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything? You can stay home and jerk off to how righteous your protest vote was and none of us will actually force you not to. Whether or not you recognize that it was just another vote Trump didn't have to overcome to win is on you.

Which they would blame on Democrats. Any improvement under their opponents tenure has to be framed as a bad thing, lest voters notice something good happened with a Democrat in office.

Do you just not understand how voting actually works?

It's much easier to talk mad shit online when you've grown accustomed to the idea that there are no consequences for anything you say. They're perfectly happy to let the consequences of doing fall to someone else.