QuoVadisHomines @ QuoVadisHomines @sh.itjust.works

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You need to provide a source if you are quoting one.

No, there isn’t. Anyone claiming to support the liberation of the working classes while praising authoritarian systems that are cracking down on those populations looking for freedom are hypocrites.

It’s weird you would make this about geographic location. Are you doing that because you don’t have a valid critique?

im not saying you have. Im arguing the trend you are claiming that happens most of the time is not happening.

Im making a numbers argument and you are trying to make a theory based argument.

Highlighting notions based on a flawed premise do not make those claims more valid.

This is a numbers argument. Unless you are going to claim there are more liberal nations engaging in imperialism than are victims of it your claim that it happens most of the time cannot be true.

Nope, that’s been used for decades you are just seeing the limitations of google’s tools as it happened in places they do not index

Well it certainly takes a failure of those skills to utilize many of the socialist publications as a primary resource.

This wasn't an editorial. It was a snarky comment that you inappropriately are trying to make into an argument because you completely misread the situation

That is the shifting of the goalposts because you initially claim that this imperialism is happening in most nations and now you are claiming it would happen if it could which means it is not actually happening thus your claim is inherently flawed

Most of the privatization of Iran has been going extremely slowly and the economy is still heavily controlled by the central authority. They on paper suggested things 15-20 years ago that they have been slow to adopt.

You claim that this is happening most of the time. I point out that the nom-imperialist nations, which make up the majority if the liberal nations, are not doing this so from a sheer numerical perspective your claim is flawed as most are not doing this.

Ypu can try to shift the goalposts but if the non-imperialistic liberal nations are the larger group then your claim cannot be true because factually speaking it us not happening in most liberal nations.

If you despise my assertion that you only read theory you should not make claims like "Iran is fairly liberal now". The Iranian government has a very heavy hand in that economy and economic freedoms don't exist like they do in capitalust economies.

Try looking into African nations that are liberal in name only and literally any Muslim dominant nation that permits religion to have a direct role in the government if you want to see societies that are debating what degree of liberalism is acceptable.

Yes you claimed that the global south which you are claiming is liberal and is also not engaging in imperialism so by your own logic most nations that are liberal are not engaging in these actions.

Your whole argument rests on that essentially flawed notion.

So it would be the case if it were the case but it is not the case and you are still somehow correct?

That makes no sense. Thus it isn't happening in most nations and your claim is fraudulent.

That's a very marxist perspective. There very much is a debate going on all across the planet as to how much freedom from government and religion that people should have. If you bother to educate yourself on the politics of Muslim dominant nations you will see they are having those discussions right now.

To be clear Cowbee, you are talking theory and I am asking you to pull your head out of your books and look at the world around you.

Most capitalist nations are not engaging in imperialism especially those in the global south.

I think you need to be actually arguing with someone to make an argument against them, yes. You cannot make an argument when you aren't doing so. You need to be debating to make logical fallacies. No one was doing that hence no one made a strawman argument.

Do you need this further explained? No argument was made. The side you are claiming I am making a strawman argument against is not present. There is no debate.

You used it wrong. Learn from this and move on. Don't misuse them in the future.

If it has not happened in most cases you cannot observe a trend because that trend is not actually occurring. Your whole claim starts off flawed.

No "authoritarianism" is a end point on the binary that should used rather than capitalism vs anticapitalism it reflects the actual debates going on in non-Western nations

You whole position is eurocentric because it accepts capitalism and liberalism as a default state.

You cannot present a strawman argument when the side you are arguing against isn't present. Thus I was not making a straw man. That's just insulting tankies

Don't bring these up unless you understand them and in this case you do not.

No, you are using a different binary and I would argue you are using the incorrect binary as most are not dividing over support for capitalism.