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I remember keeping that thing running on my ps3 constantly back in the day. If I wasn't gaming I was Folding@Home. It's such a shame they didn't bring that back for the ps4/5

It's closer to "when your options are the genocide far away and a genocide here, or a genocide far away"

Not voting doesn't change a thing. The genocide far away will happen no matter what so the moral thing to do is to vote for the option that will minimize the amount of genocide being done. In the meantime the only thing you can do about the genocide far away is to call your congress and write to your local representative. It feels like almost nothing, but frankly there is almost nothing we can do. We can only minimize the total harm done by voting for Democrats instead of just letting Republicans run wild both domestically and abroad.

Don't doubt that they're doing this for evil reasons

They do exist and they are just as valid, but they're definitely not the ones competing in sports (plus there are already requirements for trans women to be on HRT before competing in women's leagues)

There already are requirements for trans women to be taking HRT before competing against women. I believe the current one is 1 year. No cis man would want to take HRT that would cause them to grow boobs so that argument is moot.

Edit: imo 1 year is too soon. From a study I read 2 should be good for endurance sports, and 3-5 should be good for others. It's not right to delay the lives of trans people any further then they're already being delayed and it's not like exceptional cis women don't exist

Plus this all gets solved if we let trans teens transition since these differences happen during puberty

That compete in sports? No.

The vast-vast majority of trans women take HRT and many of the ones that don't, don't because of a lack of access.

The point is that chromosomes are clearly not what deterimes sex if a female was born with XY chromosomes. Genetic mutations are a part of life and we literally can't know the percentage of females born with XY without testing literally everyone. Your mom could be XY and you'd never know unless she got tested. So if chromosomes don't determine sex what do? Saying it's a genetic mutation is a thought terminating cliche and allows you to continue living life without thinking deeply on the subject. Which, imo, is pretty anti-science.

Genetic anomalies don't at all make something invalid. Did you know red hair is/was a genetic mutation? Does that make red hair not a hair color?

"There's only black brown and blonde everything else is a genetic mutation"

You_irl

Tell me you didn't read the link without telling me you didn't read the link. The case study is from a woman who was born with a vagina and ovaries and gave birth but upon a genetic test was revealed to have XY chromosomes.

(here's the part where you pretend to have read it all along in your response)

It's own category with like 5 people in each sport. Great idea.

Because hrt changes our biological characteristics. I have breasts and a hip curve of a cis woman. The trans man I know is growing hair like a cis man and is getting voice cracks like a pubescent boy.

We're much closer to being intersex than our biological sex

XY are male right?

So males can give birth according to you

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

I remember those same kinds people in high school saying "I'm not straight I'm normal"

So I'm gonna guess his response would be "I'm not cis I'm normal"

From your link

Harper analyzed self-selected and self-reported race times for eight transgender women runners of various age categories who had, over an average 7 year period (range 1–29 years), competed in sub-elite middle and long distance races within both the male and female categories. The age-graded scores for these eight runners were the same in both categories, suggesting that cross-hormone treatment reduced running performance by approximately the size of the typical male advantage.

That reminds me of the swimmer Lia Thomas who placed 6th and 2nd before starting HRT. Raced against men after starting, which dropped her down drastically. Then when she raced against women she resumed being a top 10 athlete, winning her race (didn't even brake female records mind you, just won her race).

The study has some bias imo. For starters most studies I've looked at say 2 years is when the strength levels start to even out, while most measurements from this one are from a year. The major exception being a study from 2004 that only looked at mass not strength.

When this study does look at strength it very specifically looked at grip strength and leg strength (this is where I got suspicious of bias). Trans women have larger hands due to our skeletons being forged during male puberty, which could account for the differences in grip strength (easier to grip/more muscles being used when there is more hand to use). And as for the part looking at thigh and quadriceps strength: every cis woman I know has significantly stronger legs than they do their upper body and that is for both the ones that go to the gym and the ones that don't. It is completely possible (and not even mentioned which is where the feeling of bias comes from) that HRT has less of an effect on leg strength than it does upper body/core. If cis women who go through an estrogenized puberty have stronger legs than arms then it stands to reason that trans women would loose less muscle mass in their legs than their arms.

Edit: bias might be the wrong word here, maybe closer to an oversight than outright bias

Edit 2: found a more recent study that states endurance things like running and swimming level out by around 2 years, with most things level out after about 4 with the exception of upper body strength. Which is still declining in trans women past that point

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgad414/7223439

So the 1 year that is recommended is too soon for trans women athletes to start competing, but for endurance sports like racing and swimming it should be fine by 2 years. Other sports may need more time, but also we shouldn't be delaying the lives of trans people for so long. We need to find a good middle ground because it's not like exceptional cis women don't exist in those same sports.

This is all also completely ignoring that if a trans women starts hrt before puberty then there is no real difference. So the real solution is to let trans teenagers transition.

Studies have shown that after around 2 years of HRT the strength of trans women level out to the average of cis women. The only things that really stay the same are things like bone length /bone density, and it's not like there are no cis women with dense bones that are tall.

Edit: taken from another comment of mine:

found a more recent study that states endurance things like running and swimming level out by around 2 years, with most things level out after about 4 with the exception of upper body strength. Which is still declining in trans women past that point

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgad414/7223439

So the 1 year that is recommended is too soon for trans women athletes to start competing, but for endurance sports like racing and swimming it should be fine by 2 years. Other sports may need more time, but also we shouldn't be delaying the lives of trans people for so long. We need to find a good middle ground because it's not like exceptional cis women don't exist in those same sports.

This is all also completely ignoring that if a trans women starts hrt before puberty then there is no real difference. So the real solution is to let trans teenagers transition.

Trans women and trans men are significantly closer to being intersex.

But are you good at The Game

I almost immediately noticed the shirts and frame 4s 8 fingered hand

Ah so the solution is to let the person who will make it worse and officially start the trans genocide within the US win. You're so smart. Your intelligence eclipses everyone else's here. If you can't stop 1 genocide let's just let 2 happen while the other gets worse. Genius. Absolutely genius.