PolarKraken @ PolarKraken @sh.itjust.works

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Oh wow, that is indeed pretty telling lol. Sounds like a pretty troubled and unhappy person, I hope they find peace (and stop harassing others, that's unacceptable regardless...).

I stumbled onto this at a library as a kid and couldn't get enough! This library was a big one and it wasn't near us, so I selfishly tried to squeeze in every moment I could.

I did feel guilty, knowing my grandmother was stuck waiting for me, but the game was too compelling, my nerdiness too severe, and my grandma too gentle. I was powerless to do anything but press on.

Years later I realized...my grandma was a librarian, and this was an unfamiliar library to her. She had the better time by a mile, and must have counted her lucky stars that I was content to just stay in one place (AKA safe and behaving myself) for hours on end. I can remember her coming to check on me every so often, and each time I couldn't believe I got to play even more.

Thanks for the memory :)

Your belief that I don't understand these ideas or haven't encountered them is incorrect. In fact I used to prioritize those ideas myself, and encouraged others to do the same.

I don't even really disagree with most of that, I'm not talking (at all) about clamping down on free expression in a general sense. I'm saying that a free society must not equally allow every possible expression, and that anything invoking and glorifying Nazism in specific is beyond the pale and must be stopped, including violently when necessary. My point of view is not extreme, nor is it authoritarian (by my measure). There are thriving democratic nations who do exactly this right now, Germany being the example I have in mind (though I do acknowledge their special history with regard to that precise topic).

I'm also saying you seem far more interested in splitting hairs and discussing theory than solving problems. And that works fantastically for the right-wing folks who only care about winning. They don't argue ideology in good faith, they instead exploit the willingness of others to do so (like you're insisting on here) because it drags them into unproductive conversations and creates feuds (like we're doing here).

I'm not advocating for anything I'd call authoritarian, but that word means something different to everyone. I am saying tolerance must have its limits, or the spread of intolerance over time is guaranteed. I'm really uninterested in going further with you. You are not bringing me anything new or that I find valuable. You are bringing me points I have considered, largely accepted, and in narrow cases, have chosen to reject. I didn't say I've never gone into a scholarly direction on this stuff. I said I am uninterested in doing so here. My original comment about paradox of intolerance is something that person needed to hear. I never had any intention to be rigorous with my telling, and I stand by everything I said regardless.

I can tell that you feel really strongly about this stuff and I think we're on the same side. I think I probably agree with you more than you realize. I want to say one more time - I'm not interested in discussing these details. It isn't that I don't find them valuable, can't understand them, or never have learned about them. There are other valid reasons for not wanting to, and I'd appreciate a little intellectual charity from you. But that's yours to give, not mine to demand. I do wish you well.

Edit: softened tone at the end

That's a lotta words to say we should tolerate things I say we shouldn't. We can disagree, but I'm not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing's on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we'd better be ready to fight.

Enjoy your Stanford political philosophy. I'm gonna keep watching for further sieg heils on national stages, and I know what I'll do if they become too widespread.

I wish you'd help, but above all, I wish you well.

Armored Core community, you say?

Thanks so much for sharing! I've recently moved to daily driving Linux and went Bazzite for the gaming element (which I've since only somewhat used, lol).

Haven't dove into the bits and pieces that really make the games work much yet, had no idea Lutris was all this! Particularly the wider library management / enablement, the very thing the dev called out as not well known lol.

AND I was very happy to find out it's all Python! That's my bread and butter (and it's delicious), I may just have to do a wee bit of dev'in someday too. If I ever get around to the games lol

You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) "paradox of tolerance". The idea you're espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.

The "paradox of tolerance" is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.

But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.

A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.

Seems like the obvious joke to me too...

PREACH. More of this please!

jump start a jeep with his bark

About Bob Ross!! LOL now that's a fuckin image. You have a gift, hope you keep using it lol

And we will never get it back if they do.

He's got a good segment on a political talk TV show called Crossfire (1986), too, super worth a watch. Dude was a thoroughly dope individual.

Growing up poor in the south, couldn't agree more. PBS has done such enormous good in the world. I mean, incalculable, flat out.

Edit: wait, Bob Ross screaming at recruits, wtf?! Eyes glossed right over that and refused to let it in the ol ticker!

Last edit: found it further down the thread, that is crazytown. Cannot imagine it and I have a RICH imagination.

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No disagreement there, sounds like we essentially agree and just needed to take a few minutes to argue with one another, lol. Cheers and have a good one!

We're just talking in circles my friend. My original and only point is that focusing on compassion for him when discussing the problem is misguided at best. At worst, it's exactly the thing you're describing - making the conversation entirely unproductive, and avoiding the serious problem, getting focused on this very typical moralizing we on the left do.

Fuck John Fetterman, and fuck any person who demands compassion for him be prioritized in the conversation. If we disagree, we disagree, I don't think I can make my point any more clearly. I regard anyone demanding the wrong things be discussed as - intentionally or not - helping the fascists. This is not a poorly thought out point of view, it's not a shallowly held conviction, and I'm just about finished even discussing it.

I don't care. You are completely missing the point. Everything you said is obviously, like painfully obviously, true in a general sense. It's Morality 101.

Do you see the state of this place?? Are you aware that Fetterman has been causing these kinds of problems for a LONG time now, and do you agree that we desperately need every fucking scrap of pull to bring this country and it's people back from the brink?

Giving a shit about the man's well-being is someone else's goddamn job. Miss me with your pearl clutching bullshit.

That was a reference to Biden, and the fact that it should not come to this, and when it does, compassion for the patient is obviously the wrong thing to prioritize.

Edit: clarity

I just don't agree. It's more like being upset at an Alzheimer's patient for totally blowing an important debate.

So be it. It's been a LONG time in this state. That sucks for him. The outsized damage he's able to do makes me unsympathetic. He's just one guy. Boo fucking hoo. The extraordinary damage happening to countless lives in this fucking country today, and we need to have a chat about how much compassion to give this guy? Again, get real!

Edit: I guess your point is about his own inability to see the problem, which I acknowledge. I don't think he's due any outsized compassion, at all.