PointyReality @ PointyReality @lemmy.world

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I would agree it wa not the only thing but it was definitely one of the prominent ones.

I would argue ( happy to be countered argued and if proof can be given who knows you might even change my mind) that conservatism is the reason for the rise toxic masculinity, ergo the right is a toxic thing to embrace? change my mind.

I googled this,

“Generally, *holding a US work visa does not require special permission to leave and re-enter the country, as long as your visa and the period of stay authorized by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) are valid“

So if you have a valid source for that I would be interested to see it. I won't lie though even if you can produce anything it wont make me think of the US as anything but a shithole because that's a shitty thing to have anyway.

Wow, what a surprise. Who could have seen this coming from a racist administration voted in by a racist base helped along by the apathetic non-voters. /s

That's the US for you nowadays, basically uninviting, anti-freedom shithole.

More and more authoritarian.

Enough with that, it was the messaging that was the problem. Don’t try to say they predicted this when the Democrats own messaging caused this. /s

You again fail to see my point, which is logic based. Its not vote blue no matter who. Its a simple task of pros and cons and actually paying attention to the rhetoric of both sides. In my view this is where the non-voters actually failed and they need to learn from their mistake. The pros and cons for those that appreciate democracy and don't ascribe to the hate that the right pumped out would have been a better way to ensure as a voter you knew what was at stake.

How do you cope with this much winning?

The difference between the two parties was not just insignificant policy difference. You had one side literally boost hatred on a Haitian community, that was loud in their Nazi and authoritarian rhetoric. You are not applying the reflection needed to understand that when one side is like that and you don’t vote against it then you are also the problem.

Sorry US, but you want to dickheads means we will find others to trade with. This is good and something Inhad feared for our farmers during this tarriffs BS. I hope more markets open up as the rest of the world continues to pull away from the US.

Hey thanks for talking about it though. I would argue it appears I am not the one set in my view point. You have not really presented anything to change my mind and have spent a great deal more time writing that monologue then it would have taken to prove my point. A simple task that all people should do when entering an election. The non-voters remain in my books the biggest disappointment in the US 2024 elections, when the other side was as blatant as they were in the racism, hatred and authoritarianism then blaming the other side for their poor messaging when they were the opposite is just poor form from the non-voters and as far as I am concerned just as much fodder for the leopards as the conservatives who voted to have their rights slowly stripped away.

Its not cynicism that brought me to my current perspective. It's a drive to learn from mistakes and be better from it. Something that non-voters I feel need to do as well. Let me demonstrate, if leading up to the election you were to write a pros and cons list, with Palestne being the only definite con for both sides. Given the rhetoric from both camps are you saying that the Democrats had more or the same cons as the MAGAt camp? If so I would be curious from your perspective what those other cons are? Ensure you are comparing them to the same rhetoric as the MAGAt camp during that time.

I still fail to see your point tbh, thank you for sharing it though. I do always enjoy trying to change my perspective. For me though it just feels as if the non voters are essentially passing the blame on and not taking accountability for the shit show they find themselves in now.

I still fail how this lesson is not something that the voter base themselves need to learn as well. Again I feel that the retrospective is being pushed to much on to the Democratic party and not the non-voters themselves. I mean the difference between the Democratic and Trump campaign was not just a slight difference of policies. We are talking the Trump campaign was loud and proud with their racist and fascists remarks.

If the Trump campaign was better and louder at the messagng then why was his messaging in of itself not enough to motivate the voters?

The two biggest issues for non-voters was 1) Gerrymandering (they felt their vote did not matter), 2) Kamala was not compelling enough with a side note of Palestine also being part of this.

Both of which the Republicans are for point 1) to blame and for point 2) way worse with Palestine being equal on.

But sure I guess blame the Democratic party because they did not nail it 100% while the other guy was like Hitler lite throughout his campaign. If the non-voters do not have the balls to own up to their play in this then you lessons have not been learnt and there is a good probability it will be repeated. Provided of course you get a chance at another fair election.

Not sure I still understand the reasoning that some how wants to allow the non-voters to not own up to their mistake. If both parties were the same on the same issue of Palestine then that's an issue that cancels each other out, I am not saying this is not atrocious from both parties because it is. But the rest of Pro’s should have been more then enough to warrant an effort from the non-voters to make an effort to save their democracy, rights and freedom.

I have seen it time and time again after the election, “iT’s tHe MeSsAgInG”. If sound reasoning and logic was applied the red flags were very loud from the Trump camp that what he is visiting upon the US is what was going to be expected if he won. So no, I will always tell those non-voters that their inaction is what helped cause all of this and by a large factor.

I think everyone should avoid visiting the US.

I won’t argue with that, this has happened not only because of those that did vote but also the non-voters. Where I am from we have mandatory voting and although its not a guarantee which way it will go I think we are better prepared to handle the idiocracy.

Edit: Cross your fingers and toes for us though.

What a shithole the US has become, all because of the conservatives.

I know you said “big if true” but lets be honest here this idiocracy is to be expected by the current US administration. The “big if true” implies this will be a deal breaker but all the other idiots who voted for this or did not vote at all won’t have this hit their radar if by this point nothing else has.