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Cool, so you want to use trans genocide to justify your position, and you'll listen to the trans people who agree with you but not to trans people to disagree with you.

This is good ally behavior /s

Don't give a shit who you vote for but if you want to actually stop fascism you have to go join a socialist org. Liberals are structurally incapable of stopping fascism, as fascism is capitalism in decay and liberals support capitalism as their number 1 priority.

There are no actions available to me that will end the Palestinian genocide.

https://files.catbox.moe/bcu4mt.mp4

These people are part of an organization that does sabotage like this. The last team got fully acquited as the jury refused to convict them.

Yes, genocide is acceptable insofar as I know my actions won’t stop it, and I’m not gambling with the lives of people I care about over “maybe the revolution will stop it eventually” or whatever nonsense you believe will happen.

As capitalism decays fascism becomes a certainty. I would suggest reading "The Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism" which offers a political-economic analysis from the perspective of a German who had access to the semi-internal communications of the capitalist class as capitalism was entering its fascist stage in Germany.

If you aren't joining a socialist org that is moving toward the abolition of capitalism you're lying down and accepting fascism will happen.

Stop pretending you don't have any agency and go join an org.

look at history and tell me how many popular uprisings actually made life better

Cuba, Vietnam, China, USSR, hell even the dprk. Look at life expectancy, literacy, infant and maternal mortality, extreme poverty metrics, worker self management systems, and moving from dictatorship to soviet style proletarian democracy

Most revolutions aren’t actually done by the “plucky group of militiamen,” they are done by government insiders who use leftists to get a W and then boot them out.

All of these revolutions were lead by organizations that didn't have government insider connections like that.

Trans woman here, stop using the genocide happening against us to wipe your hands of the genocide happening in Gaza

If you actually oppose fascism, you have to join a socialist org. I don't give a shit who you vote for, but the liberals won't stop fascism, they structurally can't.

Hiking, socialist work or socialist socializing, friends, that's mostly it

The point is that there is a universalizing here of something that isn't universal

Idk I crush on a lot of folks, I'm also in a long term (polyam) relationship.

Whether or not rejection is a part of life or healthy in the long term it is going to be bad while you’re experiencing it

Why?

when seeing the object of your affection with someone else could arguably be unbecoming since you’ll want the best for them but it’s about ad human as it gets.

I tend to feel compersion over envy

Neither is bad.

But instead we are arguing the semantics over whether a man should take responsibilty for his own bigotry or whether the entire global leftist project should bear that burden for him.

I'm not having that argument? I am sort of confused as to why you think I'm making that argument?

I think you're continuing to read me as appealing to pragmatism when I am instead appealing to learning from people who he respects on why he is personally wrong on the issue.

I would once again ask you, what specifically do you want to happen? If you're having a hard time articulating it, I would suggest looking at the constructive criticism handbook. https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/constructive-criticism.html?ref=redstarcaucus.org

Man is a person. He answers to a community. He’s not actually a party official of the revolutionary guard and you and I are allowed to demand better.

Demand better from him than providing free gender affirming care and legalizing gay marriage, affirming other alt family structures, proactively having a country do pro-lgbt education to root out cultural bigotry like in Cuba? I'm am somewhat confused by this statement? What does demanding better here look like?

There can be no allyship with someone who understands our experience purely through the lens of political opportunism.

Do you think all pro-lgbt measures done in socialist states to be about political opportunism? Because in Cuba it took a multi-decade effort while struggling against the influence of the catholic church and colonial-legacy machismo culture to expand lgbt rights to the point that they're better than the US

In some contexts but it is broader than that.

I'm saying his heart is in the right place but he has wrong-headed ideas. Given the guy follows a socialist intellectual tradition it is reasonable that you suggest he gets his head in the right place by understanding socialist social practice on the issue.

Honestly this is a really uncharitable reading of what I'm saying.

If someone ostensibly left-wing or socialist needs to read theory in order value my life and needs as a proletarian ally then they can necessarily be no ally of mine. More work needs to be done beyond tacit academic acceptance.

Except here it seems the guy does oppose transphobia generally but needs specific work done to advance his understanding of the issue.

And understanding social practice in other places to improve your own social practice isn't academic. It is not an ivory-tower-ass thing.

What other minority has to be vetted for their use before being welcomed into your so-called revolutionary project?

Socialist projects are doing better on lgbt issues because they are recognizing the old bigotry against lgbt people for what it is.

LGBT people aren't being used, except in the sense that discarding liberal bigotries in general helps make the system more robust.

I'm literally a trans person btw, I am approaching this from an angle of actually helping people remove their own bigotries. What is your solution here? What should dessalines do to get better on trans issues, concretely? If you're having a hard time articulating your criticism, I would suggest the constructive criticism handbook.

Yeah, it seems like he still has some political development on this front to do to chase out some liberal brainstorms.

I think the guy's heart is in the right place though, I think he just hasn't done the legwork yet on studying how modern socialist states are moving on lgbt issues and why they're doing so.

Oh I think there is going to be a sequel where she covere tops' rights within socialism

It is pretty obvious that the dynamics of how groups work and how you get people to believe in certain goals are pretty universal.

Why do you believe this? Because I've studied how fascists currently recruit and the methods are very different from how socialist orgs recruit. I have also studied how fascism developed in nazi Germany, Spain, and Italy, and they seem incredibly different from socialist forms of movement building.

Populism is designed to abuse how everyone perceives and judges outside information for political gain.

How can you have left wing populism then?

I honestly think you’re just throwing around buzzwords, how is all of this this directly related to fascism?

Populism is a strain of buzzword designed to equate two very different ideologies. Obviously you can't try to minimize fascism directly so since the holocaust fascists have been trying to downplay fascism by making it a symmetrical evil with communism. If you want to learn more I would suggest looking through some of Dovid Katz's writings on holocaust collaboration in Eastern Europe.

And if you can’t be friendly to people with different opinions, your opinions are only a result of one-sided socialisation, not of discussion and reflection with the help of others.

I didn't say we weren't friendly to people, I said we aren't friendly to certain ideas.

And being unfriendly to mainstream ambient opinions that we have decided to reject isn't an indication of one sided socialization. While you might not be socialized to understand socialist ideas, socialists in the west grew up around and are intimately familiar with liberal ideas.

not of discussion and reflection with the help of others. And therefore on the same level as any other unreflected opinion.

Luckily though, socialists invest in the social practice of group learning and reflection, including engaging in ruthless criticism of our own ideas. So no, we have established that it is not at the same level.

I dont understand the joke

Read "why women had better sex under socialism, and other arguments for economic independence"