OccamsTeapot @ OccamsTeapot @lemmy.world

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How do you know that?

But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?

I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad

I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.

Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.

I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me

Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.

"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?

Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?

No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades

Lol I wonder why 🤣

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?

Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.

If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.

You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.

Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.

I said they "were killed."

Totally emotionless.

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.

Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.

From here

Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.

Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.

This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

Is there a minimum "rate" for a genocide, then?

In the year 1,000,000 and a 1/2, humankind was enslaved by giraffes

Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country

Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?

Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.

Yeah I understand now, apologies for the mistake

I just reported two more. Lots more coming your way soon I'm sure, lol

Edit: sorry you're right, I think I can just still see them on sync

You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong.

So all the people (including YourPrivatHater) who accuse others of being antisemitic are also breaking this rule, aren't they?

They do not know the reasoning behind the statement that prompted the accusation and it is very uncivil to say that. How can that be different?

You really just didn't engage with the question/point at all huh?

I literally did none of that.

If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

If we only count instances like these we see from Israel, where an innocent person is literally used as a shield and not just sat at home or something, how many cases of Hamas using human shields actually are there?

They have a "no go" zone in the city where I live. I went there. It is nice. The people are poor by Swedish standards but if you're not from here you would not bat an eye. The only way you believe this is if you have never been to Sweden, or at least not a "no go" zone and/or you get all your news from racist right wing fuckwits who desperately try to convince you that Arabs are destroying European society.

OP Sweden is nice, even Stockholm and Gothenburg, just a bit expensive

This video of them using the water pipes comes from here. See the same clip at 4 minutes in. The pipes were from Israeli settlements. The Telegraph just reused the footage and threw in some vague stuff about the EU, without actually saying where the pipes came from.

Unless you have something showing that the pipes were to supply water to Gaza? Rather than to steal it.

Well prior to Oct7 water was there

You should read that article I posted last time. It was already pretty bad. And then as I said Israel blew up the desalination plants. How does this make it more Hamas than Israel?

But all that is irrelevant as first blood was drawn by Hamas. Resulting deaths are a response to that.

History did not start on October 7th. "First blood" lol you must be joking. Ever heard of the Nakba?

If Hamas really cared about civilians...

From this point on you're just repeating talking points. No need to go into all this when we're talking about the clear factual reality of why this poor child and many like him have severe malnutrition.

The problem is that Israel actually announced that they were going to cut off food and water to the population, and they have recently destroyed vital infrastructure. So if you come at this without acknowledging that of course people are going to downvote you.

Both are to blame. Hamas more so than Israel.

Both yes. But how is Hamas more to blame than Israel?

I would like to see your source about the pipes, it seems a little unclear from a quick Google. But it seems like the bigger problem is the destruction of the desalination plants by Israel. Even if they were in tact they need fuel to run. I find it difficult to believe that this is truly more on Hamas than it is on Israel.