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And I'd claim that paying for animal cruelty three times a day when you can very easily avoid it makes you a shitty person.

If we don't need to use it for animal feed and we can't farm or build anything else there it would happen naturally.

Again, if the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares.

comparing != equating.

I really don't understand why everyone suddenly hates comparisons when it comes to eating animals, it's a completely normal tool to use in conversation.

Also, all humans are animals.

It shouldn't be acceptable because killing others for profit/taste when we can easily avoid it is evil.

We can simply rewild those areas.

Again, humans have the choice not to kill animal for profit/taste, we can easily avoid it, cats cannot.

Wild animals do all kinds of things we don't consider okay for humans to do, using them to justify needless killing does not make sense.

No they aren’t they’re domesticated. So your solution is genocide for these species? Is that not needless killing?

???
I'm saying we should stop breeding and killing billions of farm animals.

Again, it's not humanizing, it's recognizing that they aren't machines, they are living and feeling beings.

Do you think we should avoid harming others when we easily can?

huh? I just replaced animals with humans in a typical meat eater argument too

Besides, they would face much worse things in the wild, humans tend to kill each other, much better that we lock them up!

I mean yes, being a shitty person is always an option

Nothing to say about the actual arguments..? lol

lmao, killing isn't cruel, ok buddy.

Does this look painless? https://youtu.be/-7hAELEBjX4

How is needless killing not cruel?

No matter how nicely you treat someone it's cruel to kill them for profit/taste.

Try applying that logic to other humans.

Treating someone nicely for a while doesn't make it okay to hurt them.

Yes, easily, raising animals requires way more plants than just eating plants directly.

Here's the data:

1. If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
2. You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local
3. Environmental Impacts of Food Production

I really doubt they were slaughtered near the end of their lives, that wouldn't be profitable for the farm, cows live 20+ years for example.

And even if there were, it's still killing someone for profit, that's cruel.

When do you use what animals do in the wild as justification for cruel behavior other than when it comes to eating animals?

Humans are perfectly capable of thriving without animals products so of course it's cruel and exploitative to eat meat.

I grew up in the countryside, surrounded by farms and my family raised and slaughtered sheep, chickens, cows and more.. and yet I can easily see that just because you provide someone with shelter and food it doesn't make it okay to kill them for profit/taste.

They don’t know their time on the earth is shortened by a couple of years.

Same argument could be made about killing humans, they would have no idea after they died.

They do know they’re not dying from horrific disease or consumed alive by predators. There’s this crazy idea that wild animals have better lives.

I've said nothing about wild animals.

Farm animals are not rescued from the wild, they are bred by the billions to be killed for profit, that is cruel.

Actual privilege is thinking that you're completely entitled to have living and feeling beings killed for your taste pleasure.

This is how animals are actually treated: https://watchdominion.org/

How is talking about what the thread is about missing the point?

...no?