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It's true, but look at what the article says. If the Tories admit it, they'll need to stop all arms sales to Israel immediately in accordance with UK law.

Is that the case? AFAIK it's simply that they need to label them as made in settlements and most people don't want to buy or stock Israeli settlement products.

Oh shit I brainfarted, I meant 2020.

I mean low-information voter is one thing, but I think even those people either understand that Trump is a threat to democracy or think that he's their messiah who descended from the sky.

Okay as an Egyptian this is my first time hearing about this. Let's make that "can't trade much with their neighbors".

Yes, but the idea that he threatened at all in public is ridiculous. For better or worse if this was any other country that man would be in deep shit. See: Pakistan.

It's a good start. These things are how we get real action against Israel. Doubly so given that Israel's main economic partners are America and the EU (they can't trade with their neighbors for obvious reasons).

I do care that every time I land in the US heavily jet lagged I'm asked to retrofit my family background into categories invented by some kind of alien entity that has heard about humans coming in different types but doesn't quite grasp the concept.

Amazing, and accurate as fuck. Can I ask you to shit on people for me?

Trump 2024 anyone (edit: I'm not cheering him on, just stating a fact)?

Edit: I only read the headline then came back and read the article and just... What the actual fuck?

Did Biden, the president of the most power country in the world, just listen to a threat from their protectorate? What the fuck is going on here? How do people see shit like this and think "oh yes this is fine"?

Third party or nobody. Maybe Mr. Literally Anybody Else.

instead i got this drivel that “voters dont mind!”

Yeah that's nonsense. Voters absolutely do mind, as they should.

I think a one state solution is unreasonable because it’d necessarily lead to a large cultural minority and I simply don’t trust Isreali voters not to continue to oppress the Muslim population.

It's not as big of a gap as you think. There are 7 million Palestinians in Palestine and Israel (not counting Jordan or Lebanon, let alone the rest of the world) compared to the same number of Jews in Israel. This is enough for either group to hold the other in check. Then we remember that not all Jews are right-wing, so in effect the people we don't want running the government will be overwhelmingly a minority).

People who would vote for Trump because Biden chose not to support genocide? Probably not many. From what I understand real centrists are a dying breed.

The people who decided not to vote for Biden made that decision with this information in mind. The problem is: The enshittification of the Democratic Party relies on the idea that people will hold their noses and vote for the "lesser evil". This nonsense is how we got Trump in 2016 and how we (or well you I'm not American) are going to get him in 2024. Even if everyone does hold their noses and vote for Trump we'll get another Trump, then another, then another, until the Dems are putting children back in the mines and saying "but we're better than the Republicans".

If people don't put their foot down and demand change nothing will happen.

Is this not the correct understanding?

It is in very general terms, but when you get down to it it fails miserably, because when both candidates are bad people not all vote for the lesser evil; they just don't vote. This depresses turnout for the Democrats (Republicans love Trump), when voter turnout is their lifeline. The people who voted for Biden in 2016 are extremely disillusioned with him for many reasons, not the least of which actively perpetuating genocide. This isn't the recipe for high voter turnout. Essentially saying vote for the lesser evil works until the people you're calling on say no thanks, and we're way past that point.

Edit: Grammar.

Oh that too.

You're number 1. "Military actions against Hamas and their supporters but not Palestinians" don't exist in Gaza.

I mean of course, but "just" doing genocide doesn't make you a Nazi. There are many non-Nazi genocides in history, so picking the Holocaust in particular needs to have some merit and it doesn't here. If anything this is more resembling of the Native American genocide, only with modern weaponry.

i said it was makong nazis blush. which it is.

That would normally be read as: This genocide is worse than the Holocaust. This is why people are taking issue with it.