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You realize Israel is controlling the prison in reality, right?

Hamas doesn't shoot Palestinians that go to far off the coast, Israel does.

Hamas didn't erect a huge border wall around Gaza, Israel did.

Hamas doesn't control the supply of food, water, and goods into Gaza. Israel does.

Who controls Gaza?

• Those numbers are what has been used by most countries before this genocide started, including Israel and the US (and still do)
• Something like 40% of buildings have been destroyed in Gaza since last week (it's certainly more now)
• Hamas is the governing body, everything is technically under Hamas. That's like me saying "I don't trust the CDC or HHS because I don't trust an imperialist terrorist United States".
• It's not hard to find all kinds of footage of blown up children and buildings, use your fucking eyes if the other bits of logic are too difficult for you.

It's almost like the government calling them subhuman beasts isn't concerned about genociding civilians over a land grab.

I really hope you're just too stupid to realize this as genocide denial instead of malicious.

Bold of them given what's been happening to any press living in Gaza

Alright I was going to disengage but holy shit.

You're going to go against Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B'Tselem, Nelson fucking Mandela, among plenty of others, saying it's an Apartheid? Come on, dude.

To be fair, you don't know they can't defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can't last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.

Glad you've been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.

The 20% of Israel’s population who are Arab/Palestinians and are not belligerent seem to be faring better. Plenty of governments cooperate with Israel with very good results. So, what’s different about these?

Easy, the material conditions, here's a short that highlights Gaza specifically, and not being under occupation. They have food, water, medical care, aren't under a permit regime, and aren't under threat of having their homes violently stolen.

Ultimately Palestine’s position has mostly to do with declaring war on Israel multiple times and losing, then remaining belligerent and engaging in guerilla attacks against them for the next half-century.

Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a "pre-emptive" strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?

Man, why does this map keep shrinking? Must be a coincidence. Those darn Arabs did some violence and whoopsie we accidently took more land! Man that's crazy it always seems to work out like that. https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/

https://www.972mag.com/settler-attacks-west-bank-gaza-war/

They're not carpet bombing them (wow so kind and restrained of them), but they are continuing to steal homes and land. This has been happening before Oct 7th too. This is what happens when you cooperate with Israel.

Yeah, but the "bear" in the situation is a nation state. It's not an animal or a natural disaster. You're blaming the victim here, you realize right?

There's no Hamas in the west bank. Why is Israel killing and driving them out? Performing pogroms and all that.

Also why should they be peaceful after the literal Nakba? Israel are the ones on stolen land dude.

Only one party has the power to make that a reality, and it isn't the Palestinians.

Israel wants Hamas to exist, Netenyahu said it himself in a closed door meeting, and they fund Hamas through Qatar.

Why? Manufacture consent against the exact kind of barbaric enemy Israel propped up.

Human shields is the dumbest fucking talking point. Even if it were true, does that justify all the collateral damage to literal children? Half of Gaza is under 18.

Hamas won because, the United States forced an election the people said they werent ready for. Moderates split the vote, and a failed western backed coup solidified their power. That also happened 16 years ago, long before many of those Gazans were even alive let alone old enough to vote.

So riddle me this, would you be OK with Hamas having guided rockets to take out Israeli targets? If so, what's the ratio of civilian to militant do you think is alright? Think hard before you make a double standard for yourself.

If you want the hostages, you negotiate, not bomb where the hostages are. You also don't wait 2 days to secure the area while immediately hitting the "bomb gaza" button. The conflict makes so much more sense when you realize Israel cares more about killing and displacing Palestinians than saving their own people. (Hannibal doctrine)

If I'm in Israel's shoes, I wouldn't be demonizing and dehumanizing an entire people I've stolen land from.

Let's say I magically became ruler on Oct 7th. There's only two ways out of the conflict for good, full scale genocide and ethnic cleansing or reparations and a one state secular solution. Obviously I choose the latter.

If I'm a Palestinian, and I am / convert to Judaism. Can I join Israel? (no)

Also, how many Israelis have a Jewish religion? (they are the minority, it's mostly non believers)

How does this fit in it being religious instead of ethnic you think?

They aren't doing roofknocking during this war, and that's such a thin justification to obliterate peoples homes I'm shocked you're repeating it.

Why are there pogroms and settlers being armed in the west bank? There is no Hamas there, it isn't Gaza. What gives?

They literally blasted a whole ass refugee camp killing hundreds yesterday to kill one guy (aledgedly), and are fully blasting all civilian infrastructure. You're either blind, misinformed, or a disingenuous hack.

They're literally doing final solution shit in front of our eyes. Comparing them to the Nazis (a fascist ethnic supremecist nation on their genocide arc) absolutely stands.

This is not a religious conflict. It's imperialist and settler colonial. This headass take needs to stop.

Sex work is work.

Just about any argument about the exploitative nature could be made about any other work under capitalism.

I doubt it would totally disappear under socialism. Some people would prefer to have sex, provide intimacy, or show off their sexy naked bodies. They just wouldn't need to choose that path to survive.

History didn't start on Oct 7th

The fact that this nearly didn't read as satire is alarming.