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Maybe. But I'm referring to the United States.

Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

Hey what large nation is allied with Saudi Arabia again?

The average age in Gaza is like 18. Of course about half of the deaths are going to be children

Military industrial complex and imperialism in a nutshell.

Also you didn't need to call out being an American with that pfp

Oh, he was on Hasan's stream recently and did a fantastic job dunking on zionist video.

Of course. They haven't stolen northern Gaza yet.

The IOF literally seal water wells with cement.

On top of that, you can't get cement to build with in Gaza in order to build desalination facilities, even if they wanted to.

Something like 80% of the water they get from Isreal is contaminated.

The Israeli government counts the calories of the food they receive so they get the minimum amount to sustain their life.

The health care isn't great (obviously)

And if you don't know what "mowing the lawn" is, look it up.

A. You don't know that, especially if the terms are seen as fair and just. An apartheid or an open air prison is neither.

B. What's the alternative? Genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Look, you're obviously a debate pervert. I'm not going to engage your entire diatribe, but a few things to note...

The blowback was the Hamas attack. The Israelis are the ones who created and have control over the conditions. The attack was the response. History did not start on Oct 7th.

This is an imperfect example, but if you mistreat a dog for long enough and it lashes out, who is at fault?

If it was religious, why would they be sterilizing Ethiopian jews?

If I'm a Palestinian, and I become a convert, can I join Israel?

What percent of Isreal has a Jewish faith, and what percent is non-religious?

You're right, to my knowledge that proxy nation was Qatar.

Not to be too pedantic, but Gaza lives in a prison. The west bank is more of an apartheid.

How about, no rounds per target?

I love how you're debate-lording me on the specifics of how civilians, children and their infrastructure get blown to bits. Even if you could justify it in that way, that shit is still a war crime for a reason.

There's so many problems with this take.

• I absolutely sympathize with the Vietnamese cause during that war. The United States were LITERALLY the invaders and deserved retaliation / defense.
• Gaza has been an open air prison for 16 years, with horrifying material conditions, which is precisely WHY the average age is 18. Here's a short that explains them as concisely as I've seen. I would 100% sympathize with Japanese or Jewish terrorism under that level of barbarity. Also, to be clear, those camps in all those situations were wrong. Are you defending them?
• West Bank, which has no Hamas, is still an apartheid state where the people who are acting with the Israelis are STILL GETTING FUCKED OVER by Israel and subjected to settler colonial terrorism.
• Obviously I don't like terrorism as a method, but at a certain point, it becomes the only option. Peaceful protests have been met with bullets and international silence. See the Great March of Return, 13,000 Palestinians wounded and 1,400 killed. What's the lesson there do you think?

This is primarily not a religious conflict, it's territorial and racial.

Please tell me you would be super chill with having your home stolen by some fucking white guy from Brooklyn because the newly formed government wants to form an ethnostate, because I sure fucking wouldn't be.

Ah yes, because the current bombing campaign against civilians and civilian infrastructure has been very humanitarian. So glad Israel has been showing "restraint". Never mind the white phosphorous too, very legal and very restrained.

That would necessitate Israel not engaging in state / settler-colonial terrorism, and that isn't happening.

Because it's true, their jewishness is irrelevant to the conversation. Israel DOES control their open air prison by definition.

According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

I don't know if times of israel is credible or not, but you can find your own sources.

Man good point. Glad the Israelis aren't using any weapons that are disproportionately more effective on a captive populace. The prisoners shouldn't fight back against their oppressor through whatever desperate means they have available. Please die and suffer in silence, Palestinians.

Tell me this, place yourself in the shoes of an average Gazan at the age of 18. With all the destruction, violence, and oppression you've witnessed, would you not become a "terrorist" against your oppressor? There won't be an end to Hamas without an end of the abysmal material conditions and violence. Hamas was literally funded and legitimized by Israel to manufacture consent for their ethnic clensing campaign.

They will continue to blockade as long as Palestinians exist, I gaurentee it.