Nachorella @ Nachorella @lemmy.sdf.org

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I guess I don't agree with you. If I buy a product that specifically requires the death of an animal I would feel like I am responsible for the death of that animal and monetarily incentivising the death of other animals.

If I pay a hitman to kill someone I am not innocent of murder.

You don't get to support an industry that kills animals and then say you're not responsible for the death of animals.

Without getting into a semantics debate on what rape is. The reason the word is used is because dairy cows are impregnated by fisting the cows asshole and stimulating their cervix before squirting a semen gun into their vagina. The cows cannot consent to this so the word rape is used. Some people might not consider it rape for whatever reason and yes, the word was probably chosen to be provocative. But that's the explanation.

Yeah, I used a metaphor to help explain how you can be found responsible for something even if you didn't do the thing yourself.

You realise that veal is often just the calves taken from dairy cows, right? If you drink milk you are already supporting veal. They're killed anyway, it's just the difference between them being discarded or being sold.

Ok, so because you're being needlessly pedantic here is the comparison.

I am not directly responsible for the wars and murders my government commits because of the reasons I stated above. But if they had a big bucket that said 'put money in this big bucket to directly support the wars and murders of your government' and I were to put money in of my own free will - then yes I would be directly responsible for those wars and murders.

If I do not put money in I am not directly responsible.

That's the difference between paying taxes and buying a bottle of cow milk.

You can't really compare the two things. You have limited control over how your taxes are spent, you can vote on how you want them spent and protest the actions of your government, but outside of that it's not up to you.

With milk, though, you are directly financing it by buying the product, and the product wouldn't exist without those things happening. So you are in effect a 'conspirator to cow rape' since your demand incites the act.

It's like if you pay a hitman to do some murders for you. Are you a murderer? I guess not technically, but 'conspirator to commit murder' doesn't have the same ring to it. Thus we just opt for rapist, since you support an industry that annually rapes cows and kills their calves so that you can enjoy a tall glass of cow juice.

It's ok if that's what you want to do. No judgement here.

I love being an annoying vegan because it was annoying vegans who made me go vegan. I was once like you, I knew the animal ag industry was fucked, but I still liked eating meat and dairy. Then eventually the cognitive dissonance caught up to me and I realised that enjoying meat and dairy wasn't a good enough excuse to support a cruel industry that is quite literally destroying the planet.

At least you're not in denial about what you're supporting and you're not spreading misinformation. I'm chill with that, but I think you're wrong about what's effective at converting people to veganism.

PS: people make pineapple and cactus leathers nowadays, I've heard of a mushroom based one, too. Not sure on how the durability and longevity compares just yet but it seems pretty tough so far. Also not sure on the processes involved and how 'clean' they are.

Same here.

PS: Apparently a lot of Americans aren't even familiar with the word fortnight.

It means two weeks if anyone hasn't heard it before.

I'm vegan btw, lol

The nickname thing really puts this into perspective. Imagine saying 'I'm Jim, my parents call me Jim, everyone knows me as Jim and it's what I prefer to be called' and then some absolute psycho asks what's on your birth certificate and exclusively calls you James. The level of disrespect and lack of basic human kindness in these people is astonishing.

There's one guy in my little group of friends who is an unapologetic hugger, even though the rest of us don't really hug he'll always hug everyone goodbye. I'd say it's possible some guys don't enjoy it, but I actually really appreciate it about him, it's nice getting a hug and sometimes I really need one.

For anyone who really doesn't like it they can always offer their hand first, but on behalf of all the guys who need a little affection from their buds sometimes I wanna say thanks for being there for the friends who need it. Even if they never say so I'm sure some of them appreciate it.

I hope that most people can look past it in the same way but unfortunately intent doesn't change how hurtful some things can be. And it's still language that serves to otherise a group of people. Just like the N and F words which have both declined heavily in use (at least since I've been alive).

The way I look at it is that my want to use certain words does not outweigh other people's feelings. English is full of fun and interesting things to say, we can get a bit more creative than just using slurs.

If it's not to qualify for jobs you can always just learn online for free. I suppose it depends on the degree but there's quite a lot you can just teach yourself these days.

it was about the hardons we collided along the way

I know so many people who adamantly stand by their use of it. I used to say it, too, but all it took was one person to point out to me that it was hurtful and I apologised and stopped no questions asked. I don't get why it's so hard to just have a little empathy.

Wow those Billionaires mustn't be committing many tax crimes at all. /s

After a few sheers they're off to the slaughterhouse once the wool quality degrades. The sheering is not for their benefit.