MolochAlter @ MolochAlter @lemmy.world

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I literally just said we need to decouple it.

And my point is that you can't make it decoupled any more that you can make breathing decoupled from survival.

Stop operating under the principle of “no work, no food”.

What the fuck are you talking about? Where the fuck does food come from in your mind? The fucking aether? Food is a product of people working. Arguably, the most important product that all other products stem from.

Until we figure out full automation that will always be the case, and even with full automation there will be a need of human supervision to an extent.

There will always be people who want to do the “dirty” work. You truly underestimate peoples’ ability to find satisfaction in necessary work.

Sure buddy, that's why the soviet union had work camps, because people were volounteering to move to Siberia to do dirty work.

But jokes aside, that's only demonstrably true if the alternative is not an option.

We have absolutely no idea what the world would look like if people didn't need to work, because some people have always needed to work, namely farmers, and thus everyone else had to work in turn to earn the cost of the farmers' labour.

The reality is that your thesis that "people would still perform backbreaking thankless labour on a scale sufficient for all of society for free" is not only ridiculous on its face, but conveniently unfalsifiable, because until non-people exist to do that, that will literally never happen.

Though we did have times where slaves, people who were not considered people, were forced to perform this necessary labour, and you didn't see a lot of slave owners working the fields for free or otherwise so, again, no dice.

You truly underestimate peoples’ ability to find satisfaction in necessary work.

You truly underestimate the amount of labour necessary for the scale of production we need as a society to maintain this standard of living, and given your later comments about hardship I don't assume you want to go back to medieval standards of diet variety and such.

Work should enhance your life, not enable it.

What should be is not a factor, what is is what matters.

Some people's work enables your life. Without their work, you don't eat. Not some amorphous "people don't eat", you. You don't. And neither does everyone else.

Did you really think I was saying “we need to stop working”, or that “work is not necessary”? Surely, surely not?

Oh, but you are saying that. The fact that you don't understand that is the fundamental issue with your argument.

Tell me, how much food does one person produce if they "go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”?

That's not your problem, though, is it? You get to go back to school, someone else will work so you can faff about studying underwater basket weaving or some other world shatteringly important topic.

And who's gonna fix the roads, so the trucks that move the food can deliver it? Someone else who is not going to school, and instead is inhaling toxic fumes so you, your majesty, can "think about whatever it was [you] were thinking about" which, I am sure, was tremendously important, which is why you are currently developing it into some revolutionary solution to one of mankind's greatest problems.

Work is doing stuff that needs to be done. Work is producing and reproducing what is necessary for society.

No, work is using personal energies and resources to do that.

There are people doing this and not using their time sitting with their thumb jammed up their asses, who very often would rather be doing anything else. I know because my father happens to have done sto for 40 fucking years before he got to retire, and he was doing a relatively cushy job in the essential production fields.

These are people whose lives are shortened and made harder by their work even after they retire, and who literally only do it because it's the best value for money they can achieve.

In some cases that is still woefully little, which is an extra level of travesty when it's confronted with some spoiled asshole like you acting like anyone would be or should be doing those jobs for free, no less.

Portioning scarcity? Some say money does that, but even that isn’t true; at least, it doesn’t do it well.

Money is literally a proxy for work, at its most basic.

The fact that 500 years ago the Dutch invented finance to gamble on economies doesn't change this basic point that, for the vast majority of humanity, money is a "work done well enough token" you can exchange for food and comforts.

Yikes. Big oof, my dude.

Heckin chonker pupperino, etc.

Compared to what we are capable of, though, with our level of technology and infrastructure, we’re doing pretty poorly.

I'm sure when everyone works for free you'll see a great deal of work being done in the expensive drudgery of repairing and maintaining infrastructure for this hypothetical ceiling you still have only asserted exists with no evidence.

But, then again, by having a cursory look at your comment history you're an anarchist, so you're no stranger to believing hilariously stupid shit with no evidence.

It's ok, kid. We've all been there, I was an AnCom in highschool, too.

See you in 10-15 years once you work for a living and have figured out why people have to pay for you to do it.

Or not, and not, up to you.

Nah that's essentially the same as buying and refunding. If you can't afford a purchase it's perfectly fine.

But it isn't decoupled.

There are people whose work directly enables your survival, and that of everyone else's around you, as well as their own.

Food production, mining, logging, maintenance of infrastructure, just to stay basic.

These people need to be compensated too, and they can't just opt out. Cause if enough of them do, or if the ones who don't are just not performing well enough, everyone is fucked.

This fixation that we don't need to work to live is moronic, just because your job is not essential doesn't mean no job is.

At its most basic level work is about portioning scarcity. You work to be assigned a smaller amount of the hardship pie on your society. Thankfully western society has a very small pie to dole out, comparatively.

The post doesn't talk about working for someone else though, it talks about a job.

You can have a job being self employed.

Eventually the gulf stream will collapse causing a mini-ice age, making northern Europe comparatively cold to the Pacific North West, for one, moving the arable/habitable band down towards Africa.

After that? Who knows honestly.

All governance is force.

How this force is distributed, what forms of it are acceptable, and who directs its use determines whether a government is authoritarian.

Buddy, isn’t literally every fuckin thing?

No, most things are not.

Like god the US invaded Iraq, isn’t that authoritarian?

Yep, it sure is.

Isn’t everything political authoritarian?

Does everything political eventually boil down to some amount of people imposing their view of society on the rest under threat of violence? Yes.

Is that what authoritarian means? No.

To quote Heinlein’s Starship Troopers: When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you’re using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

I never said there is no acceptable amount of force to be exerted in society, but I do have strong preferences on the criteria by which a society chooses by whom, how, and how much force.

What determines whether a government is authoritarian or not is who can wield this force, how those people are selected, who can they apply this force on and within what parameters.

An authoritarian state will by design, explicitly seat this power in the hands of few, often unelected, individuals, and pose very little limitations on it.

(Neo)liberal states are absolutely capable of allowing such drifts that they become de-facto authoritarian, the US is very much doing that, but it’s not by design and it’s something a liberal/neoliberal should be pushing against, by virtue of being an unintended consequence. An authoritarian would only object to this drift if it happened to go in a direction they didn’t favour.

but how though, fascism isn’t just some weird image of authoritarian

You are correct, hence why I specified “Classical Fascism”, as in Mussolini and Gentile’s original vision of Fascism, an offshoot of Marxism by way of Georges Sorel, which then goes on to reject the exclusive use of Marxist materialist analysis to interpret history and current events.*

The latter is the only explicit departure from strict Marxism in Fascism, as all other aspects can be found in some shade of communism or another.

Marxist-Leninist communism, to my understanding, has 3 main characteristics: It presupposes a vanguard, it presupposes a state whose job is to command the economy, it does not allow any enterprise outside of the state.

The latter is important to this comparison although it is not exclusive to ML Communism.

To quote the man himself:

Here I wish to reaffirm with no weaker energy, the formula I expounded at the scala in Milan everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.

We are, in other words, a state which controls all forces acting in nature. We control political forces, we control moral forces we control economic forces, therefore we are a full-blown Corporative state.

Note that Corporative in this context refers to the italian word “corporation” meaning “Trade guild” or “Union”. Source: Am Italian.

The ideology of fascism is fundamentally totalitarian. The state controls the economy and to properly control the economy it has to control all facets of life. It has to control consumption, which means it has to control personal life and individual finances. It uses an internal market but it strives for autarchy, a state of complete self-reliance that would in turn allow a closed cycle economy that could indeed be completely controlled.

It is a command economy that allows markets to exist in certain respects as it recognises them as a useful tool. Much like China has been doing recently.

As for the vanguardis aspect, you won’t find explicit references to a party doing this, because Mussolini’s rhetoric already assumes the totalitarian control over the government he eventually achieved, you will however find explicit quotes on the level of direction on personal life the state is supposed to have, and I would say it sounds very much like a vanguard:

A State which is fully aware of its mission and represents a people which are marching on; a state which necessarily transforms the people even in their physical aspect. In order to be something more than a mere administrator, the State must utter great words, expound great ideas and place great problems before this people (Di­ scorsi del 1929, Milano, Alpes, 1930, p. 183).

It is Fascism which has refashioned the character of the Italians, removing impurity from our souls, tempering us to all sacrifices, restoring the true aspect of strength and beauty to our Italian face. (Speech delivered at Pisa, May 25, 1926, in Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 193).

So there you have it. On the important points of governance (Role of the state in the market, role of the state in personal lives, role of the individual in politics), ML and Fascists have many important similarities.

If the Italian fascist regime thought the market system they had in place were a worse alternative, they would have pivoted to just about whatever they thought would work, because Fascism explicitly does not care about which political tools they employ but only the result those methods yield.

Though let it be clear that a rejection of materialist analysis does not mean ignoring it but also including immaterial aspects to this analysis such as culture, religion, belief, traditions, etc. See the following quote for clarity:

In politics Fascism aims at realism; in practice it desires to deal only with those problems which are the spontaneous product of historic conditions and which find or suggest their own solutions. Only by entering in to the process of reality and taking possession of the forces at work within it, can man act on man and on nature.

All quotes are sourced from The Doctrine of Fascism. Authored by Benito Mussolini and partly ghostwritten by Giovanni Gentile. I read the original as well and can vouch for the translation being substantially correct, even with some mistakes like the use of the word corporation, which is a false friend between Italian and English.

Because MLs are inherently authoritarian, unlike a lot of other types of commies that are just accidentally so.

Marxist-Leninist ideology is a mirror image of classical fascism.

That's likely if they decide to switch to mandatory accounts.

This. If you're used to working with windows, 11 is the usual song and dance of disabling a bunch of telemetry shit and making sure windows update only runs when prompted.

I don't even bother to do the latter on my windows machine since it's my gaming rig and that doesn't stay on unless I game (my server runs Debian), so there's plenty of chances for it to install updates when rebooting.

Sure, sometimes it adds some half baked garbage "feature" like the weather widget and you gotta kill it, but that's hardly an issue.

Windows 12 is rumored to be cloud only with a subscription?

LOL what? That's not how OSs work.

Operation of a machine, by definition, requires the machine to work.

All of Microsoft's other software already exists in cloud form, what those rumors mean, to my knowledge, is that the usual windows suite of programs would be cloud only, requiring a Microsoft account and subscription.

The OS itself by definition can't be cloud based, they can make it a subscription however.

"Janet?"

You can see more in the tutorial I linked.

I'm no expert myself but it is my understanding that the VPN container needs an explicit reference to the network to use to connect outwardly, and that definition just tells it to use the default connection of the host machine.

They found their Ellen Pao.

Don't buy this, the idea came from the board, Riccitiello has been selling his unity stock to the tune of 50k stocks over the last year, he knew the ship was sinking and was just coasting until the inevitable golden parachute.

The rot has set in deep, the issue isn't him and firing him won't fix anything.

TBF they didn't say they were equally shit, just that they both were.

I could be tall and be 6'2" or 7', still tall in both cases, but one is taller.

Sorry it took a while, busy weekend.

Here you can find the script. I commented the parts that i thought were not clear.

This does not include the streaming apps since people seem to have very strong preferences about that.

I use both Plex and Emby for different types of media, but any media server will work with this setup so I left those out to leave it more generic.

I also left Heimdall in there cause i find a landing page very useful but feel free to remove it as needed.

You will need OpenVPN credentials as provided by your VPN service, check here for a list of supported services and general FAQs and here for the tutorial this is based on.

I have a docker compose script you can have that sets up an array of arr containers as well as plex and enby, plus qbittorrent and jackett fed through a vpn container. Ping me tomorrow so I can anonymize it and pass it to you if you'd like.

I agree, ChewbaccasClitoris

"Would buy Valve"

Yeah, no shit, so would I.

Who'd have thought that they have eyes and can do basic math?

Valve is a money printing machine with a ludicrously devoted client base, it's a no brainer to want to buy it, but it's not publicly traded so good fucking luck LMAO.