Michael @ M1ch431 @slrpnk.net

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Yeah, I know.

Can I get a copy of Microsoft's AI on the free market? Can I get direct support for killing children and women with a company's proprietary AI on the free market?

Your arguments have fallen flat, but I'm here to be enlightened. You know so much that you're defending these companies and diluting their involvement, so clearly I must be misunderstanding something here or my knowledge isn't sufficient.

Convince me harder that Microsoft's direct involvement is actually not so bad, and these dastardly companies that indirectly provide hardware are somehow just as responsible for AI killing innocents. If these hardware manufacturers have specific contracts or involvement with that state or its military, I'd like to know.

Microsoft Office also doesn't especially facilitate the killing of innocents. And they could easily use other software, the functionality isn't unique or specialized like AI.

Just to be clear, the whole world is indeed responsible for what happens here. The free market doesn't absolve everyone of their shared responsibility. You could pull your entire head of hair out boycotting or screaming at every individual or group that provides support to one thing or the other, direct or otherwise.

My goal is to just point out the truth and also help people see it clearly. Microsoft et. al are a symptom of a larger dysfunction in society. People are so disconnected and propagandized that they don't even know truth from fiction, and the people that do understand the truth (to some degree) sit there and downplay modern atrocities as "the best we can do" and point fingers wildly at individuals who the media wants us to pay attention to instead of addressing the root causes.

AI should not be used for military purposes. That's my point.

And I'd like to apologize in advance if I misunderstood or misrepresented your points.

I'm not suggesting that they be murdered. You're saying some are worse than others, I'm just saying the concept should die.

Thanks for agreeing with my sentiment loosely, sorry to trigger you.

You said you boycott all of them. How are you posting a reply?

I am not the same commenter.

Providing goods on the free market is not the same thing as directly partnering. Please enlighten me, does Intel, AMD, and ARM specifically and directly sell/provide their specialized components through another mechanism than the free market to that state/military?

What hardware or software Microsoft chooses to power their infrastructure is their choice. Could the companies that provide this hardware boycott Microsoft? I don't know how effective that would be because you can't choose who buys your products on the free market - you, however, can choose who you directly sell to or contract with.

And I don't care how smart AI and specifically LLMs are. The hardware is irrelevant. AI is still determining the targets (and potentially even firing the shots). This technology and the companies who provide this specialized technology are, at minimum, participating in the slaughter. The AI is proprietary and closed-source, these companies are willingly providing access and working with their military to specialize it for war.

He's acting like Elon Musk is solely responsible. He's diluting a very large issue (modern slavery) and watering it down to Elon Musk bad.

Bill Gates is educated and present in these countries. He knows what really is going on.

Can you blame me for being angry that there is mass suffering, death, and slavery, while everybody in the know acts dumb, and the truth is hidden from the masses?

Edit: Your downvotes have been noted. Thanks for providing your feedback finitebanjo.

I'm mad that he's silent and complicit while people suffer. Perhaps I'll work on my anger while he hopefully works on finding his voice and speaking the truth.

He pays regularly for media attention, why can't he pay to expose western atrocities?

If there is still slavery and these countries are largely poor, yet western society relies on them for their labor, natural resources, and goods/exports, his 100 billion dollars means nothing.

He could've spent that 100 billion a whole lot more effectively. Like shining a light on western companies supporting child slavery to harvest cocoa or enabling these countries to break free from western imperialism.

That's all I see Bill doing. Throwing coins at impoverished and exploited people does not properly address or solve the issues they are facing. Bill Gates surely knows of the exploitation that African countries face at the hands of western imperialism. He could use his influence to shine a light on modern atrocities.

If they were paid fairly for their labor and paid a fair price for their goods and exports; these countries would not be starving, they could afford their own vaccination programs on the back of the own economies, they would be able to provide everyone with access to clean water, and they would be able to develop their societies as they see fit, including providing education to their citizens.

Because $92 million is such a large number when you have so much wealth. What would that fund here? A handful of buildings and a few highways?

Directly partnering with and providing services/technology/AI to a state's military, that is in the act of war, is facilitating that war.

Using AI to target strikes/etc., is absolutely AI making the decision to kill. They just chose to let AI do it for them.

How much money has Bill put towards developing Africa and directly improving their living standards?

Has he addressed modern slavery and modern child slavery (which we rely on for our cocoa)?

Has he addressed colonialism and imperialism?

These countries are extracted for everything they are worth, they are exploited for their labor, resources, and goods, and they remain poor while wealth concentrates to the few in first-world countries.

His "philanthropy" surely helps him to be aware of the situations that these countries face. But let's just shift an important topic and reduce it to value judgements. Got it.

I'm personally saying that no person should be able to accumulate wealth, power, and influence to such a degree and also use his wealth to pay people to sing his praises and like him.

I'm not making value judgements on these two individuals. I'm simply stating that there is no merit to billionaires existing.

My point is that the government doesn't exist, it's a facade that veils the reality. Just seems like we are desynced here, which is fine.

Bill Gates could be spending his money to develop Africa. He could've already put money towards solving the water crisis and made significant strides towards that goal.

He could be the addressing colonialism, imperialism, and modern slavery - including calling out our companies that knowingly use and support child slavery (e.g. for our cocoa). It is a raw deal for these countries - and the first-world overwhelmingly benefits from their labor, resources, and goods/exports.

So in the absence of evidence, let's defend Bill. Got it.

We could stay neutral, but still be concerned that this person still has power, wealth, and influence...but everybody loves billionaire philanthropists, am I right?

Ah, right. It was just Bill getting financial advice - purely business.

It's certainly normal to get financial advice from sex offenders and those convicted of prostitution, with multiple accusers in court against them.

Bill Gates knowingly associated with a person involved with and convicted of some pretty crazy stuff. Bill knows it's crazy, that's why he's been spending out the ass on PR for many years. His wife divorced him, and Bill's relationship with Epstein was seemingly a big factor.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/melinda-gates-opens-divorce-betrayal-211513816.html

Melinda: "I did not like that he had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, no. I made that clear to him…He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. My heart breaks for these women."

The philanthropist stressed that Bill's relationship with the sex offender affected her deeply, writing: "That October, things had reached a fever pitch when The New York Times published a deeply disturbing article that raised serious questions about Bill's conduct."

"Questions that suggested he had betrayed not only our marriage but also my values," Melinda lamented in her book.

If even his former wife throws Bill under the bus, why are you defending him?

Why does society need to have billionaires? Why can't (e.g.) Bill Gates just participate in society based on his own merits like the rest of us?

None are preferable. Nobody should have that much wealth, power, and influence.

The current system needs to be retired. Wealth and power should not be concentrated to the degree that it is.

The human race is committing suicide needlessly, all because of concepts like "cost" and a system and world order that is out of control.

Read the edit that I just put in at the end — Trump's rise to power is bipartisan.

Democrats currently writing strongly worded letters to the White House, while Trump openly violates the law and shits on the constitution and due process, is not sufficient action and shows their complicity. Again, these people represent capital. Human rights and even a hint of democracy is inconvenient to capital.

You're allowed to disagree and continue getting gaslit. It's fine, you do you. I know things are complicated.