Yeah and? You're asking someone to make the choice to not provide for their family. One person starving doesn't make others starving any less meaningful. Seriously? This would create more homeless people. So if a new law was passed that made you homeless or wouldn't matter, I mean there were homeless people already. Or if a whole town gets destroyed by a natural disaster, who cares, there were already people with nothing. The lack of empathy or just human decency is insane here.
I'm not using them as a shield. That's your problem, you're not willing to try to understand the point, you see it as a fight you have to win. I'm explaining a situation and why I'm certain situations people are going to be human and try to do what it takes to eat and take care of their children. Asking them to not do that is a very large, and some might say heartless ask. Are you willing to risking being homeless or unable to eat to protest? If not, you're asking someone to suffer immensely while you sit back comfortably.
A lot of people ITT seem to have no problem demanding that people put their livelihoods on the line and risk everything they have, but I don't see one person demanding that actually doing anything close to that themselves.
Wow, dismissive of people's efforts and non-stop insulting. Sounds like you're not just ignorant, but full of misguided hate. I'm doing with this nonsense, stay angry.
I won't argue Matthew since either way you look at it, it's bad. Right there we've shown not everything he says is loving.
Yes, everyone had slaves. But slavery is slavery, I'm not interested in the different flavors of slavery or justifying it because everyone did it. Jesus speaking about it and relating his people to slaves while not condemning it seems evil af to me. It's owning people, it's clearly wrong.
I don't misunderstand the difference, but you seem to think Jewish slavery was apparently not that big of a deal. I think owning someone, even if they seem like part of the family, is still wrong. Indentured servitude is wrong. Trying to split hairs is just justifying it. Jesus said "and a servant who knows what the master wants, but isn’t prepared and doesn’t carry out those instructions, will be severely punished." Doesn't sound loving to me.
Here are some of the rules for Jewish slaves, and the consequences for hurting them
A master who knocked out a slave'gs eye or tooth must let him go free. No punishment, you just get to be free without an eye now.
If a master beat or harmed a slave, the slave could go free. Again no punishment, you just get to actually be free
Kind seems like they aren't treated fair. Jesus could have said something about that, but he never did. In fact he spoke to it without issue.
I highly disagree on Matthew 10, that seems like strong apologetics. I don't see how saying he brings the sword means his people will suffer from spreading his word.
John 14, still is gatekeeping. Also theres some irony there with the wealth of the church
On Luke 12, yeah I get it. He also doesn't condone slavery when having that discussion at all. Yes he uses the metaphor of servants awaiting their master's return to illustrate accountability and judgment. But damn that's a bad metaphor, equating followers to slaves. If you read further you also see v47 refers to someone who understands what God expects but willfully ignores it. Jesus warns that such a person will face severe consequences. Kinda like a slave being beaten for not listening, cool... Then in v48 he goes on that if the servant still does wrong but does not fully understand their responsibility. As a result, their punishment is lighter. Again, equating followers to slaves, and still punishing someone for something they don't understand, very chill. Not only does he seem to not have issues with slavery, he seems to agree with some of the principles of it.
The quotes don't seem off to me, they seem to express the point I was trying to make. Maybe I could have offered more color or explanation but I stand by what I called out.
Well if you think a leader being elected means everyone wants that leader then there's not much of a conversation to be had, because that's simply not true. Never has that been true throughout history.
That's easy to say. But when a mother won't be able to feed her kids or pay rent it becomes less black and white. I'd ask the people who keep saying this requires sacrifice, what have you sacrificed that is on that level? Because you should be ready to do the same.
When he spoke of division instead of peace (Matthew 10:34-36, Luke 12:51-53)
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Acting like a gate keeper of Salvation (John 14:6)
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Slavery and servanthood (Luke 12:47-48)
"The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows."
Gentiles as ‘Dogs’ (Matthew 15:21-28)
When a Canaanite woman asks for help, Jesus initially replies:
"It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."
There's a few more, but I'm too lazy to keep going. The problem with the bible is it tried to be too many things at once. Especially trying to sell the concept of fear and love in one, which isn't possible.
Cool, deflecting again. I don't care about the difference, it means nothing. It's something you're bringing up to deflect from the core point: you said people need to protest for extended periods, till it hurts. Have you done that, or are you being an absolute hypocrite, it's any easy question but you keep dodging it for some reason. I wonder why....
I mean you could be organizing the next protest instead of messing around on Lemmy. But here you are, preaching and virtue signalling while refusing to answer if you've done what you're asking of others.
Edit: and it looks like he never answered. Another person demanding things from others that will cause suffering, but you're unwilling to do it yourself. But you'll mock what they do as not good enough. Crazy...
I just think the US is ridiculous with their passionate platitudes ( "This isnt Us") and then they elect nazis (it absolutely is ye) and still manage to feel superior.
Well one problem would be thinking everyone in the US is the same. Not everyone voted for him, not everyone wants this.
Yes the US has a ton of problems, yes idiots are voting against their own self interest, but that's not what the country is comprised entirely of. A lot of people did the best they could given their situation, a lot of people didn't. But we can't paint them all with the same brush stroke.
That's a lot of words to deflect from the fact that you're not willing to do what you're asking others to do. Sit back down, no one needs you telling the world how great you are while you demand from others what you won't do yourself. When was the last time you protested for days, putting something on the line, like you're judging others for not doing? Or have you been too busy patting yourself on the back about how you do more than any other lib.
Only the weekends huh? So only one or two days at a time? I heard one guy say that until people start taking protest seriously nothing will change. A single day or two will do nothing to sway them. It needs to be a prolonged event that hurts them. Wait, wasn't that you? The guy not practicing what he preaches? Looks like I nailed it.
And yes, let's cap it all off by saying how you're better than everyone else, and everyone else is just performative. Jesus, I've never seen someone hurt a cause they support so handedly through hypocrisy and ego. Impressive.
Jesus, so many bad faith arguments. The KKK hanging black people in trees is not even remotely related to school shootings. Jesus, you are reaching just to fit some crazy native you have in your head.
Demand progressive politicians? Ok, cool, and now come back to reality and what do we do when we demand those politicians and no one runs or they go unheard? Just cry and complain about how doomed we are? You want this make believe option that wasn't even a choice, and for everyone to really behind it. Wake up.
You're so full of hate and don't know how to process your emotions and this is what happens. You speculate wildly and make grand statements with no idea how they would even happen.
With that mindset, since we can't do anything for weeks on end, better call the whole thing off, since it can't be done for weeks. I can say you thinking that doing it for one day is pointless is just an excuse for you to do nothing as well. You're being extremely hypocritical.
Are you out there putting your life on the line, risking your home and children's safety? Or are you waiting and making excuses? Yeah, I think we both know the answer. You want others to risk everything but I'm guessing you've not risked anything. But I could be wrong, please tell me what you've done to effect this change you want so badly? What have you put on the line?
Yeah and? You're asking someone to make the choice to not provide for their family. One person starving doesn't make others starving any less meaningful. Seriously? This would create more homeless people. So if a new law was passed that made you homeless or wouldn't matter, I mean there were homeless people already. Or if a whole town gets destroyed by a natural disaster, who cares, there were already people with nothing. The lack of empathy or just human decency is insane here.
I'm not using them as a shield. That's your problem, you're not willing to try to understand the point, you see it as a fight you have to win. I'm explaining a situation and why I'm certain situations people are going to be human and try to do what it takes to eat and take care of their children. Asking them to not do that is a very large, and some might say heartless ask. Are you willing to risking being homeless or unable to eat to protest? If not, you're asking someone to suffer immensely while you sit back comfortably.
A lot of people ITT seem to have no problem demanding that people put their livelihoods on the line and risk everything they have, but I don't see one person demanding that actually doing anything close to that themselves.