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Because there's a bunch of tribes including the majority of modern Israeli jews who are native to the Middle East for centuries.

Arabs and Hebrewd are both Semitic (as in native to the area) and both groups look the same. There's like half a dozen sub groups plus others that are welcome in Israel and are full citizens and aren't jews.

It's a sectarian conflict. Foreigners injecting racist whiteness into it is ignorant of the situation actually in the region.

None of the people pushing the aparteid ethnostate angle are from the area....the settler shit is bad but like a lot of Israelis agree they are bad and should go. Cops are Bastards.

Explain it's a sectarian thing based as much on politics (who won a civil war our grandparents generation fought) at this point and they just don't care.

Like there's been very public attempts to remove the far right government members. No one remembers the entire country including the air force striking when Bibi tried to fuck with the judiciary prosecuting his crimes earlier this year. The president (its usually mostly ceremonial) is the leader of the Socialist Labor party.

Bibi is at historic low popularity, 8-9/10 Israelis (including the large Arab citizen Pop) want him gone.

Gaza is fucked now because the Palestinian nationalist movement went wild and militant after Yaser Arafat died. Dude was also massively corrupt and hurt his people for his own personal enrichment.

(also every time someone pops off about Zionism and the Ashkenazi tribe immigrating to the region in the 1800s I have to consider whether to tell them like 69% of jews in Israel literally aren't European zionists under their own definition. Around 900k native to region for centuries jews moved to Israel shortly after it came into existence when they got expelled from the surrounding countries in a nationalistic fervor that spurred a ton of extremely bad shit.)

Shenanigans are actually super easy if you care.

Lemmy is mostly lefties despite a few glaring counter examples.

Theres a lot of huffing gas going on on the left with near zero historical context or on-the-ground understanding. People still repeat "River t0 the Sea" as if it's not a literal call to genocide for militant nationalists. Instead they post the decolonization blog. Meanwhile even Palestinian Authority reps and members of the negotiating team for the last n peace deals are publishing opinion pieces that the phrase is intrinsically a call to violent genocide and the Palestinian supporters really need to check who they are getting their "facts" from. It's basically on siding with a terrorist org but because some people think there is a noble goal beneath it that makes it OK to chant.

There's also a lot of people too young to remember how the West and East conducts sieges in dense urban areas. It's not good or pretty to look at.

Also like most people outside of the region don't seem to get that Palestinians and Israelis are both more or less the same ethnicity (Semitic though the term has fallen out of usage outside of describing the language roots of Arab and Hebrew and like half a dozen other languages) and look the same. There isn't a skin color component. That's projection from Americans/Westerners who mostly see Ashkenazi jews who tend to avoid light for various reasons and are pretty pale. Once they are back in the middle east everyone turns a shade of olive/brown and you couldn't pick a jew or an Arab out of a lineup if they didn't have religious clothing on to make it easier.

The US led Coalition procedures for a siege are more or less what Israel is doing. (if you want to read about Fallujah the US military procedure includes firing white phosphorus at tunnel entrances to smoke out the people in the tunnel by consuming all the oxygen. Even Israel thinks that's fucked up to do and restricts White Phosphorus to its legal usage as range finding for artilery during the current Gazan war.)

There are US military advisors OKing the plans and have been for a while.

Fact of the matter is urban sieges fucking suck and the govs of the world all undertake them in what the UN labels as fucked up. Ukraine blew up a major energy pipeline for the rest of Europe causing a lot of people to struggle to pay their bills to keep their homes warm in winter.

Even critical leaders like Macron flipped their tune and are now pushing for an international coalition. The context that Israel was always on the hook for Gaza's Water and Power situation before thousands of bombs started falling on the area is important. The Israeli water and power workers can and have striked when asked to go into Gaza to fix their power lines after Gazan rockets blew them up (high failure rate remember). There is a very real "hostages thing" amongst the tribes and people native to the region, such that even the Unions will continue to strike while there are hostages even after the IDF has agreed to a ceasefire. The water situation was exacerbated by Hamas and associated groups digging up pipes to turn into rockets.

Hamas posted hype videos of them turning humanitarian aid pipes into rockets. https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA?si=EUH85MQeaR8IQkbt

Concerns about fuel were confirmed when Hamas stole an estimated 6 days worth of running the Gazan water system from the UN.

I think it's a pretty verifiable thing and that both sides have motive to push prop.

One just caught lying about this already. I don't mean historically I mean this actual incident.

Instead of waiting as long as we have the ordinance should have been shown through spokesmen immediately and at the press conference the ministry held surrounded by bodies.

It takes time to do a convincing fake. So I expect this debate will reignite later.

The European and US intelligence services estimated the death toll at ~50 and 100-300 respectively.

I assume satellite imagery and counting...there's probably also UAVs from all the great powers recording footage.

Seperately im fairly certain the Israeli security services have spies all over gaza. Somewhat grimly I think the air strikes have had a large component of people on the ground marking areas for strikes after confirming the presence of some Hamas member. It was a strategy exploited during the Russia/Ukraine war and it's something Israelis can do because they are largely the same ethnicity.

As for the size of the explosion it's not a great source but you can review pyrotechnic demonstrations of actual military munitions versus like a small special effects explosion and a lot of fuel. The former tends to not actually have a huge fire ploom like the hospital bombing had. There is one it's just relatively small. If the rocket misfired and had a lot of ignited fuel spraying over the area... It causes that sort of imagery and casualties.

The hospital isn't destroyed and no staff were killed.

A bunch of refugees in the parking lot, a lot less than reported by the health ministry, got killed by being coated in propellant and ignited. Fuel explosions make a big visual effect, but don't really destroy buildings.

The same health ministry that over reported casualties is also hiding the ordinance remnants that did it instead of showing the world.

People are ignoring the afghans are about to be openly genocided to the tune of 1.4 million by the Pakistani government.

Too busy focusing on Israel.

There's also a literal loophole in the regional morality system where once hostages are taken almost everyone is down to start war criming.

Germany, France, and the UK too.

It's to test weapons systems in a real world context.

Like people legit don't make this connection. The data from the Iron Dome is incredibly valuable. Likely the US is getting data on Bunker busting and tunnel clearing tech.

Literally for the people native to the region for centuries: yes. Like it's fundamental to how we raise our kids. Everyone.

The hostages thing is some desert tribe gang war shit.

Both sides do it to each other.

We are also the same ethnicity, it's sectarian. Foreigners not getting this makes us think you are ignorant of the situation.

They can actually issue stock at the market rate to finance shit.

They get used all over especially in differential equations.

Log10 basically only comes up in statistics for doing a log plot in base 10.

Basically high school math won't use the natural log much, but once you hit university higher level math it becomes apparent it's the one everyone actually uses regularly.

The day after I moved to Germany I went to the hospital emergency room with what was later diagnosed as a kidney stone and stomach infection.

I was given over the counter painkillers and some cramp medication and told to drink lots of beer to treat the stomach infection by the doctor.

I am serious. I asked about the complications drinking on the pain meds and he just said it was OK.

mixing those meds with alcohol fucks your liver

I can't get an electrician and contractor to come install one (as an AC mainly) inside of 6 months, and I've been trying to find one for 6 months.

The heat is actually killing me I can't sleep and have other health problems. I brought a dual hose unit from the US with me I'm running on a voltage converter and it's the only thing keeping my apartment livable.

You see the same thing today with popular modern authors.

In 100+ year time the niche writers who spend years reworking their prose are still going to be niche, while the ultra popular authors who had a cultural impact and dozens of published books will be studied even if at the time they wrote they were trashed as being "not real literature" or "pop fantasy".

I severely severely doubt things like King Killer Chronicle or anything Jensin or Abercrombie has wrote will endure as much as Sanderson. This makes people seethe.

A more recent example of this is Asimov, part of the reason everyone knows him isn't that his writing was particular great. He just wrote a lot, that a lot of people liked. It was pulp Sci fi, but it's defined discussions generations later.

Imo Faulkner and Joyce are vastly overrated by people obsessed with prose, to the point that they fail to communicate their stories adequately. They get trotted out by English literature teachers, and frankly speaking snobs, and there are some cool uses of the prose in I. E. The Sound and The Fury, but I wouldn't reread it and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone to actually read. It just wasn't a particularly interesting book aside from the curious abuse of the language.

To get even pulpier sometimes I pick up a 40k novel and churn through it because it's fun. It doesn't demand me think much about it, it's just telling me a story in a universe I'm familiar with.

I had to switch instances to one that defederated from Hexbear because there would be hundreds of comments from them with a few tankies posting dozens of comments. It's real. You're just not seeing it due to the defederation.

If you're defederated you won't see their comments.