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  • It's just tiring at this point. Even if you have lived there, aren't a zionist, family been there for 500+ years, and try to cut through all the bullshit to explain the context no one cares. It's just politically extremist tribalism which is exactly what caused the issue we are discussing.

    There's also a lot of censorship going on and it's a bit sick since the posts and comments I've seen censored often include Palestinians talking about the situation. largely ones from Hamas, some who left. It doesn't fit whatever whoever is doing the removing wants on the front page I guess.

  • There's another run with Al-Arabiya, Saudi iirc, where the interviewer grills the Hamas rep for doing a shit ton to hurt the cause of the Palestinian people.

    People think Hamas takes interviews with western independent journalists? Maybe their propaganda arm which knows how to play down their crimes and keep the narrative going. These guys are the real ones.

  • Sure.

    https://x.com/GLNoronha/status/1718988399057551639?s=20

    https://x.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1718021899056210213?s=20

    E: here's also a UN submitted report on the fact Hamas uses child soldiers and indoctrinated them. https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/AHRC46NGO42_050321.pdf

    https://youtu.be/dtErUuBvcRc?si=f7DeVBj8ahJMiybY and here's a video published by a preschool where they teach the kids to do some fucked up things.

    Also here's another interview with the former heir of one of Hamas' co-founders and leaders in the West Bank. I have others in my comment history from this guy who is actually pretty famous.

    (I don't like the interviewer but he mostly shuts up and let's the Palestinian who was in and out of Israeli prisons for years since he was 10 talk. Yousef touches on a lot of the same points across the different interviews he's done but this one has a bit more nuance.)

    https://youtu.be/B8YYmrgAeqw?si=r-ZNTEdfUrLjc9yE

  • May you never experience a true carpet bombing.

    The death toll would be in the 100k+

    In Dresden in the B link 60k died in one night.

    Didn't work for his defense then doesn't now. It's the basis of the laws of war and Geneva Conventions.

    As it turns out a place the size of jersey city with 500km of tunnels is entrenched

    It's not a claim it's a fact that Gaza isn't being carpet bombed. Overlay the maps of damage from satellite imagery with where tunnels were known to be previously in public knowledge.

  • Really funny how people down vote you because they believe in collective punishment as long as it's the side they don't like.

    Which is the status quo for the region.

    Still doesn't change the Geneva Conventions definition of a military target.

    Meanwhile over in Pakistan there's massive protests for Palestine nominally.

    As they are genociding 1.4 million Afghan refugees. https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-afghanistan-deportations-migrant-crackdown/32658618.html the stated reason is that the refugee population keeps suicide bombing stuff amongst other militant actions. Sound familiar?

  • Actually Israel has a shit ton of bulldozers and combat engineers clearing rubble over the weekend. There's a lot of video.

    It's also fixed the pipes and cell network and is flooding more aid than the rest of the world combined into the war zone including fuel. Under guard.

  • Yea most Israelis agree it's fucked too.

    Cops are bastards and let it happen, local troops help.

    One silver lining is the Israeli Left is having a resurgence and there might be a government trying to roll it back and clean up it's act after this.

  • Take it or leave it.

    Ones the shortest path to a good life for the kids. Being stubborn and martyring for the cause is what everyone there is taught is right at the schools. Including the UN run ones.

    And you seemed to have missed the citizenship and relocation to a safe place with protection. The only threat to them at that point is the violent thugs that run their government and the people who think collective punishment is OK who want revenge.

    Germans went through this too BTW.

  • Palestinians in Gaza have been offered citizenship, relocation for their families, and a financial reward to snitch on Hamas.

    Hamas is very popular unfortunately. Still hundreds, maybe thousands now, of collaborators including the family of its leadership.

    Oh yea also your numerical comparison is more like 1/50 are Hamas fighters or directly involved. We (as in everyone native to the region) have big families with lots of kids which is why the population demographics look like they do. My grandma was 1 of 12 siblings. The guy I linked is 1 of 9. But as the guy I linked said the kids are taught and expected that being a militant fighter is a noble goal so a few young men in each family end up becoming fighters with family support.

  • It's public record but it doesn't take much effort to obfuscate it's happening. That's why reddit fuzzed votes in the first place.

    Chatgpt makes it really easy for the people inclined to write scripts to post comments and repost articles and spin up dozens or hundreds of accounts.

    Captchas help but someone committed can throw $100 in and get many many accounts if they don't want to do it themselves. IPv6 addresses to proxy the bots through are easy to get by the thousand too.

    You also don't use brand new accounts you roll them over the course of a few weeks or months.