LANIK2000 @ LANIK2000 @lemmy.world

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Not earing the turnip?

The contradiction didn't exist, until you assumed another idea they never demonstrated. They wouldn't agree that a company's market share should directly translate into compensation for individuals, because it has "intrinsic value". It's only a contradiction if you belive that they belive in the same dogma of "obvious truths" you propose. They could very well say that everyone's work or life has intrinsic value. Again, who is right or wrong doesn't matter in this case, just that they belive something else, than what you assume they do.

Personally, I'd argue "intrinsic value" is subjective bullshit as we people are the harbingers of meaning and in turn value, and that a system that awards value as you describe is monopolistic and so detrimental to society at large and thus has negative value.

You can say I'm wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that it's yet another example of a view that isn't contradictory to your "obvious truths" as it simply builds on different values. A thing that's different in every culture FYI.

Your point is irrelevant to what they said, as it is arguing a completely different point. The question of what work can one person possibly bring and how much they deserve for it vs the question of is your value to society dictated by your employer's market share. Two quite distinct can'o'worms. The idea of one being multiple times more valuable due to their market is in direct conflict with the idea of "a person can only make so much". Regardless of which argument is right or wrong, it's a strawman, just because they literally can't hold that view xD

And plese, do explain to me how me stating something, regardless of the truth of that statement, that has nothing to do with you, is strawmaning you? I'm genuinely curious how you arrived there lol. You can't just keep using "no you" over and over. OR CAN YOU??? XD Or hold up, ya saying I'm strawmaning them instead? Please do elaborate xD

Also I'm not disproving you, I'm being pedantic about semantics, you trying to double down just digs a deeper hole around you. If you don't understand, I'm ending it here, a predictable discussion is quite boring.

Google AKA Wikipedia says "refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion"

They said that it takes a lot more than the sweat of literally only 2 people to make Google. And "No one has ever...made a billon dollars by...their effort alone.".

So to answer your question for them, no, they do not belive that. They belive all those people deserve a piece of the pie, as all of them are needed to keep everything afloat. Without your so called supporting staff, the 2 so called visionaries wouldn't be able to bring forth shit and they sure a shell didn't just put in more effort than everyone else to deserve the wealth an entire city would blush at.

Also your weird fixation on logos is irrelevant here, or rather a completely separate discussion you started fighting the strawman.

As for the janitor example, I'd need to do some wild assumptions like you to answer for them, so I'm not gonna bother.

As for my personal opinion in all this? I'm honestly having too much fun watching from the outside to ruin it xD Fuck you're a silly goober.

Universal Basic Income, is the term you're looking for. Interest is a loan you make to someone, someone unfortunate enough to need a load as opposed to have enough to lend themselves. UBI works in any system with surplus, AKA any society that isn't literally starving.

There's a big difference between giving away 99.975% of your wealth, leaving your self with what 1 person can OPTIMISTICALLY make in a lifetime for retirement, and allowing people to scarp half of whatever is left after your life of destruction.

Not only does that mean Gate's grand children have a grandpa with unimaginable wealth and power, but half of that is still in the family and all of them and their children's children are all set for an absolute decadent life even if they all decide to never move another muscle ever again. All while the world continues to burn rapidly, waiting for the dragon to bleed.

This is the bare minimum, and they only do it to gain sympathy and trick us into believing they aren't evil.

Lol, you strawmaned him so hard you just straight up pretend he said the opposite. Good job lad.

.ml sucks too. When I'll move, it'll be some super niche instance or self hosted.

An all out attack on thousands of people's lively hoods without warning, how will they ever get out of thi...oh wait, it's America, right, they'll not only not face punishment, they might even get a pat on the back.

America is a cult of suffering. If you aren't suffering you're either freeloading or not working enough. Everyone is responsible for them selves, and so "paying for someone else's healthcare" is an absolute no go.

The nice thing is, you can pretty easily run both and switch around. Just get a distro with one, and then it's usually just 1 or 2 commands to get the other as a choice on the login screen. KDE and Gnome apps are also largely compatible, regardless of desktop environment.

I've been using KDE mostly, it's just nice being able to customize it so easily without too much technical knowledge of the environment or hoping someone already made an extension for it like on Gnome. Then again, some may like the simplicity of shopping around for extensions and calling it a day, or later even editing the extensions.

Recently, for my tiny laptop I switched to gnome, it's also just pretty :)

Wait, how the fuck are only Central Europe, Finland and Estonia in support of encryption. What the actual fuck people?

Nobody is asking you to fly someone's flag. Trans people just want the freedom of not being refused jobs and generally not be verbally assaulted and then denied at any institution they visit. These people can barely live, because assholes in power actively go out of their way to fuck them over.

Oh what's that? You look, sound and act like a man, but upon closer inspection your ID says F? Guess you're just not a good fit for this society, sorry, better luck next time!

I'm sick of people making this about some culture war. It's about freedom of expression. A core principle of the constitution and the human rights charter! A violation of such core principles, will eventually came to bite you too, once trans people, but also immigrants and other minorities are gone and the rich need a new scapegoat. Next will come thought crime, once we all look the same, like in the old days.

Ok, so fucking as many women as possible in a short amount of time, literally the gayest thing one can do. Understood.

That's the strongest incel cope I've ever heard, god damn...

Also find it funny that MAGA and similar seem to be the most confused about gender, despite claiming it to be quite clear, only 2. But like, does fucking around make your wife a man or you a woman? Also since we're swapping genders on the fly, does MAGA now support trans people??? XDDD

I'm still surprised that taxing the rich is such a difficult bill to pass. Assuming we live in a democracy, the 1% shouldn't be able to have such sway over the population.

The realization that most of my family, given the rise of fascism, would be fascist enablers. Same with like 90% of the people at work.

I started programing at such a young age that I don't even remember how it went. Makes it difficult to teach as I find it hard to relate to newbies. I'm quite used to just learning my self and sometimes hitting roads that lead to nowhere. In the past that I actually remember, I've only been learning new paradigms, deepening my understanding of low level stuff and mastering my art. Hardly stuff I can give along to a newbie.

Slightly unrelated rant.

I'm tried of these culture wars. It's complete nonsense. I'm not particularly LGBT+ but it shouldn't matter. This is about freedom for fucks sake! People just want to live and exercise their human rights! Anybody telling others they mustn't exist their way is an enemy of humanity! The fact that people get denied jobs and even have their rights restricted, just because some asshole finds out the ID doesn't match is fucking repulsive!

Recently had a chat with my aunt and she just "you can't expect people to immediately accept changes", shut the fuck up! It's not a change! It's a core value that's been in our constitution for longer than any of us have been alive. But clearly, despite being raise on these values, I'm the only one who believes them. Like some fucking santa claus shit!

Jesus christ, it feels like everyday I learn a new dreadful horror about American life. How the fuck have we not run out of these creepy facts yet? The country is soo fucked up, I swear to god... It's honestly hard to belive it's a real place, it didn't really sink in how much of a shit hole it is until I saw it my self... It's a twilight world where pain is a virtue for some reason.