Kentifer @ Kentifer @lemmy.world

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At this point, it's a recurring headline.

So... They'll vote to uphold it?

Huh, I learned it about clothes and men. I like yours better.

I was on your side until that gibberish about Chicago style pizza.

Is there anything that's worth more?

You don't know how voted or what privileges I have and don't have. But knowing that I'm a nonbinary tran person who voted for Kamala won't change the fact that people don't vote for candidates out of duty. That's never been how people vote. So you can absolutely keep pretending that your position is noble and that it's your fellow citizens who failed you, but at the end of the day, Democrats were running on a message that he was the worst thing possible, but weren't willing to do everything possible to stop him. They had a responsibility to deliver policies that solved the problems people were encountering, to respond to their base when their base said "we don't want to fund genocide". Lying to people about the economy as those same people couldn't afford the same amount of groceries anymore definitely hurt them. Allowing Republicans to scapegoat trans people and Kamala not even saying the word trans throughout the campaign, allowing the other side to control the messaging surrounding the issue isn't likely to have earned them any votes.

But pointing these things out to Democratic cult members to yourself is tantamount to heresy because you've lost any iota of self reflection. You don't care that Democrats are Republican-light. In fact, you probably think that's a good thing.

Newsflash: the antidote to fascism is not liberalism. It is economic populalism. Democrats can't afford to keep backing capitalism if they ever want to win again. Democrats got us into this mess, they aren't the ones who were ever going to save us.

Why is it that warnings of what would happen weren't taken seriously enough by Democrats to try to earn people's votes? Voters warned them what would happen if they stuck to the same policies they had been running on. If the elites of the party are going to make all decisions for the rest of us, they can accept all the blame when they lose.

As if Dems would do anything that could compromise their own power.

You're advocating for respectability politics. We have to be nice to the people who hate us to try to convince them to be nice to us. If that's the game you want to play, you can. But it certainly hasn't achieved victory for anyone yet. You know what has achieved change? Protesting. Being loud. Telling people when they're wrong. Not putting up with the bullshit.

You're advocating for assimilation, while what we want is liberation.

Please tell me, as a trans nonbinary person, what the respectable version of "trans women are women" is?

"Why would you ignore this?"

Because defeating Hamas is not an achievable goal. At best, they just create another group that wants to resist them as long as Israeli oppression of Palestinians continues. Hamas, whether or not you agree with them or the actions they've taken, believe themselves to be resisting Israel oppression. Why would you ignore this? Because you don't think Israel is oppressing Palestinians? No, you just think the oppression is justified as long as Hamas exists. But if its not Hamas, there will be another group. Hamas is not present in the West Bank, but that doesn't seem to be stopping Israel.

Don't forget that President Herzog has said "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved." So what does that mean for "defeating Hamas"? How many Gazans does Israel get to kill in pursuit of this goal? Is there a limit for you?

One last point, because you're racist and I'm done talking to you. Reverse your bullshit about Arabs and Jews and see if it makes any actual sense to you. Because a) you are painting an entire race of people with an exceptionally broad brush b) you're conflating all Jews with Israel. Hamas has attacked Israel. Hamas not attacked "all jews" by doing so.

Because they want to save the hostages. Supposedly, right? That's why they would "concede defeat" (that's not what a ceasefire is). Regardless of what happens to Hamas, if Israel continues to oppress Gazans, more uprisings will occur. Hamas does not own the idea of resistance.

I mean... Israel isn't exactly accepting the offers made by the other side to stop the fighting and get their people back. They seem more intent on committing a couple of war crimes.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/1229823811/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-ceasefire

Diplomacy has resulted in the release of more hostages than military action has. Just saying.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-22/ty-article/nyt-investigation-israel-used-one-ton-bombs-in-safe-zones-in-south-gaza/0000018c-91f4-d47c-a7fd-dbfcc0bb0000

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/1/28/israeli-forces-kill-two-brothers-along-gaza-evacuation-route?traffic_source=rss

Okay sis, again. Believe what you want. Believe if you want that its somehow moral for an occupying government to call oppressed civilians to let them know that their homes will be destroyed wether or not they stay in the building. Convince yourself that that's not just further terrorism of an already traumatized population. But we're not getting anywhere here because you're not willing to accept anything. You just make more and more excuses for Israel. I'm done. Good bye.

How about this PBS news hour report: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/as-israels-bombing-hits-declared-safe-zones-palestinians-trapped-in-gaza-find-danger-everywhere] from Oct 19 about them bombing safe zones. And an Al Jazeera report from December: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/12/9/photos-israel-bombs-gaza-areas-it-called-safe-zones-for-palestinians .

Not to mention confusing the system was confusing. Look at the evacuation map. It is not easy to read as mentioned in this NPR article: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/06/1217548417/israel-hamas-war-gaza-evacuation-map-messages .

If you acknowledge that you can't go there yourself to confirm what's happening, then you're acknowledging that you're accepting the word of someone else. The Israeli government, run by the Likud party and Netanyahu, is a far right government. Do you expect them to just admit that genocide is their plan so that the world will rush in to try to stop them? Leaders in the Likud party have made it clear that under their control, there will be no two state solution. That Palestinians cannot be allowed the right of self determination. Ignore all of the quotes in the South African complaint, look at Netanyahu's recent "from the river to the sea" comments or Tzippi Hotovely's "absolutely not" when asked about the possibility of two states. That mindset is not one that will make Israelies less safe as is it is one that is based in the oppression of Palestinians. As such, Palestinians will continue to rise up against Israel as long as there are Palestinians left to rise up. Israel is now trying to get other countries to accept the Gazan population, because ethnic cleansing is a more palatable war crime. However, it should be noted that Germany tried something similar with its Jewish population, before deciding that if no one would take them, they would need to be removed somehow.

Regardless of whether or not you think this is a genocide, the only route to safety in the region is a ceasefire and a negotiation with the representatives of the Palestinians, which at this time is Hamas. Israel's campaign has only raised support for Hamas in the region, because Israel is acting as an oppressor and Hamas are the only ones standing up to them.

If what Israel is doing is good, then why don't Gazan children have enough food? Or enough medicine? Do you think it is Hamas that are not allowing enough supply trucks through Israeli controlled border crossings? Why did Israel allow babies in incubators to die? Why did they kill people walking under white flags? Why are so many reporters being killed? Oh, well, you probably don't care about them since the only reports that matter are the ones that fit your narrative and anything Israel says.

Wake up buddy. "Western world can do no wrong" is a fucking dream created by colonizers. Which makes it a great fit for Israel, but not so much for reality. Or do you believe that there is something intrinsic in Palestinian DNA that makes them more susceptible to being killed by bombs?