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Maybe read it before you try to argue stuff that's already within the damn reply

https://lemmy.world/comment/15619463

No it doesn't, as discussed at length in the first section you didn't read twice. You have no clue what you're talking about. It's not a copypasta if I'm the one who read all the sources I sourced and provided relevant paragraphs and links all of which I've personally read, genius.

JFC, that's discussed at length in the section you didn't read twice

Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.

oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide

Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, "destroying Israel" has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.

Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you're talking about

But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future. Though he calls himself a left-wing Zionist, he invokes and praises the fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky in calling for an “iron wall” solution to the current crisis. Referring to Sharon’s Security Wall, he says, “Something like a cage has to be built for them. I know that sounds terrible. It is really cruel. But there is no choice. There is a wild animal there that has to be locked up in one way or another.” He calls the conflict between Israelis and Arabs a struggle between civilization and barbarism, and suggests an analogy frequently drawn by Palestinians, though from the other side of the Winchester: “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.”

• An Interview with Benny Morris

Some great videos on the subject:

Franz Fanon vs Identity Politics

The Part of History you Always Skipped: Neoslavery

How the USA Inspired the Nazis

Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well

palestinians and israeli's have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years

That's completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.

Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.

Zionism is anti-Semitic at it's core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it's inception as a colonialist movement.

Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.

If you're serious about combating anti-semitism, you need to recognize the difference between Anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Genuine anti-semitism is more rare on Lemmy than other platforms, I call it out whenever I see it. None of us should tolerate any kind of Bigotry. Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.

Zionism is anti-Semitic at it's core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it's inception as a colonialist movement.

Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.

I'm not sure all apps support it. I know Thunder and Voyager support tags

The Apartheid Defense League is not credible and not factual. They only care about Anti-zionism not anti-semitism. The Zionist tag you got checks out

If they did, they wouldn't be a centrist

It's a genocide, as hundreds of genocide and Holocaust scholars have said.

Biden did support the crackdowns and arrests of about 3000 pro Palestinian protesters, including a law to label the protests as antisemitic and target universities that 'tolerate' the (peaceful) protests. He didn't deport any protesters. He did back both that law and the law that can label any pro-palestinian (and any pro- marginalized group) organization as' supporters of terrorism' to revoke federal funding and add tax penalties, both of which fit into Project Esther, the plan Trump is currently enacting as part of Project 2025

Under pressure from donors and legislators, many universities cracked down on pro-Palestine activities on campuses. As many as 3,000 student protesters were arrested at the height of the protest movement in 2024.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/4/advocates-warn-trumps-threat-to-deport-pro-palestine-students-harms-all

That is a federal anti-discrimination law that bars discrimination based on shared ancestry, ethnic characteristics or national origin. Adding IHRA’s definition to the law would allow the federal Department of Education to restrict funding and other resources to campuses perceived as tolerating anti-Semitism.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/us-house-passes-controversial-bill-that-expands-definition-of-anti-semitism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._National_Strategy_to_Counter_Antisemitism

The US House of Representatives on Thursday passed a bill that would grant the Treasury Department the power to revoke the tax-exempt status of any non-profit it deems to be a "terrorist supporting organisation", which could put many pro-Palestinian groups critical of Israel's war on Gaza in danger.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-house-passes-bill-targeting-charities-and-pro-palestine-groups

Wow, great analysis. Dispute the substance of the sources or quit trolling.

No, they aren't "opinion pieces" just because you don't agree with them; they are all backed by a significant amount of data.

The difference in support between the ACA and Obamacare is the difference rhetoric and messaging can make. And even then it still remains popular because of how the policy positivity benefits people's material conditions.

The conversation that envelops the ACA has moved out of Washington and into the public domain. Opponents of the ACA, who call it “Obamacare,” regularly only emphasize what they perceive as negative aspects of the bill: that doctors will become overwhelmed by an influx of patients, that people will lose control over who their health care providers are and health insurance carrier is. The ACA’s supporters, who remember to call it the Affordable Care Act, tout what they see as highlights: that people will no longer be denied coverage based on preexisting conditions and that children can remain on their parents health insurance until age 26.

https://harvardpolitics.com/aca-vs-obamacare-american-people/

Messaging matters. Policy matters.

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/harris-poll-positive-message-8-8/

https://blueprint-research.com/polling/distance-biden-ads-message-test-10-15/

Or we could just abolish the death penalty

Again, not true. I've already provided sources that show exactly how policy can gain or lose voters.

Policy support is irrelevant

It's obvious not irrelevant, as the first three links show. Policy matters significantly. You saying policy "doesn't matter" does not make it true. Policy affects people's material conditions in tangible ways, and with fascist policies it affects them in violent ways.