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You're one source is Benny Morris, which I've already read and cross referenced with numerous other historians. You haven't read a single book I mentioned. Don't trust, verify. If you're so confident, go ahead and try to prove yourself wrong. It's all readily available, you can find all the books mentioned on Anna's Archive for free, but you won't.

Read the books and watch the videos if you're so interested. I'm done talking with you. You ignore every source provided. You are either a troll or so willfully ignorant that you can't bring yourself to take a serious look at the sources that contradict your personal world view.

To be fair, at least No Man's Sky followed thru with all the updates down the line. Should've launched like that, but at least they added it all for free after the terrible launch

Oh yeah, absolutely. That's the main reason I find it so important to distinguish the two, because Zionists will cynically defend any criticism of the Apartheid and Genocide of Palestine with the false notion that the criticism is antisemitic. Which comes at the expense of increasing genuine Antisemitism and Islamophobia globally, in order to muddy the water of completely valid criticism and opposition to the incredibly fascist actions of the Israeli State.

Discussions are great. I'm just warning that without a clear mark of sarcasm, that kind of comment will certainly come off as Zionist

Fuck Putin and fuck you. I don't support any fascist.

you really can't get it into your head that the jews lived there for thousands of years and still lived there at the beginning of this century you're so antisemitic

I, nor Palestinians have any problems with Jewish people living in Palestine. You continue to conflate Jewish people in general with Zionists. The problem is with the Settler Colonialism, the cornerstone of Zionism. Read the book by Nur Masalha, which details the history of Palestine in the past 4000 years.

they are not colonisers

You can't be fucking serious. Zionism was explicitly started as a settler Colonialist project. It began with settlements that displaced Palestinians, it has never stopped settling and displacing Palestinians, neither within Israel prior to 1967 or the West Bank after 1967. Which you would have picked up if you engaged with the damn sources instead of acting confidently incorrect because you're terrified that you may be wrong.

Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

Israel has never had interest in peace, you fail to comprehend that.

I don't justify it. I understand that it comes from having no options available in the face of extermination. You have no conception of anti-colonial violence. I understand that to end anti-colonial violence requires an end to the colonial violence.

I could much more easily call Israel a terrorist state, and by looking at cases of actual acts of terror, it's clear that Israel does magnitudes more. But while acknowledging acts of terrorism is important, giving the label of terrorist to an entire group is not really useful. It's mostly use to de-legitimize acts of resistance against colonialism and occupations. Such is the case with Ireland, Vietnam, Algeria, South Africa, and many more.

Both the Occupier and the Occupied can and do use acts of terrorism to further their aims, but the aims are diametrically opposed. The aim of the occupier is to continue the occupation, that requires violence to maintain, and ethnic cleansing. The aim of the occupied is to end the occupation, by any means possible, and gain emancipation. We see that one is a reaction to the other, Israel's perpetual violence towards native peoples is the underlying cause of these conflicts. Solutions to ending the violence of anti-colonialism can only come from ending the underlying violence of the colonialism.

We see that permanent occupation develops into an Apartheid, as the settlers / occupiers have rights upheld by the State and Military, while the natives / occupied have no rights and subjected to violence from both the Settlers and Military. The State, who holds the monopoly on power, uses terrorism to suppress resistance to the occupation in order to maintain it. The occupied, having no power, uses terrorism as a means to resist the occupation.

Israel has no interest in peace, it has interest in land grabbing, which is in complete opposition to peace. This is fundamental to Zionism. Which is why an end to Zionism and a regime change, where a Secular Bi-National One-State that gives equal rights to Palestinians and Israelis is the only way for the conflict to really end. Not only with Palestinian resistance, but with all resistance groups that were created by Israeli occupation.

The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It's impossible to understand their existence if you don't understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.

Watch those videos before you respond

There are zionists who genuinely think that anti-semitism = Anti-zionism, it's important to add the /s so people know you aren't one of those. The intonation of sarcasm can't be read unfortunately

The premise that stupidity is inherited from parents is one based on eugenics and false. It's still a funny movie, but it's also important to recognize that it is based on a false premise

https://www.salon.com/2016/03/05/idiocracys_curdled_politics_the_beloved_dystopian_comedy_is_really_a_celebration_of_eugenics_partner/

No, there isn't. All zionists support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If they didn't, they would be anti-zionists. Of which there are a few hundred of within Israel. If they genuinely wanted peace and an end to the anti-apartheid resistance, they would end the fucking apartheid.

Walk like a duck, quack like a duck. There is no way to justify the Fascism that is Occupation, Apartheid, and Genocide that isn't fascist.

Now that's a tradition I wouldn't mind we go back to, seems like the only way we ever got labor protections in this country

America is truly going back to its roots. American towns, ethnic cleansing of native populations, all that's missing is chattel slavery (of course we still got that modern slavery). This crumbling empire deserves to collapse, and collapse quickly

The Un-American, yet totally American | Company Towns

Sure, books written by Zionists who see Palestinians as subhuman. Good for you. Enjoy justifying ethnic cleansing and genocide. You clearly have no interest in human rights or the reality of Israel Palestine.

The Israeli state is and has always been about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Of course Palestinians aren't going to accept being ethnically cleansed from their homes. Palestinians want emancipation and equal rights. Israel has never wanted peace. You're clearly a Zionist, which is fascist, since you keep repeating their propaganda even in the face of evidence that debunks it completely.

zionist used to just mean jews that want their own country morris acknowledges the bad that was done in the war that led to the naqba, but saw it as the only option where the palestinians would never settle for peace and hadn't done for 20 years

No, Zionism has always been about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since it's inception. Partition was a deliberate tactic to set the stage for plan dalet which was also planned. You keep repeating these myths. Section 2, Partition, shows how the Nakba was not "the only option" it was intentional. I provided multiple books that go into depth exactly how these myths are untrue and don't reflect the reality of the history.

See Under Occupation

Maybe read it before you try to argue stuff that's already within the damn reply

https://lemmy.world/comment/15619463