Keeponstalin @ Keeponstalin @lemmy.world

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That could work, it looks like it was a lot of features like reacts and video calls. How easy it is to setup and 'plug-and-play' will determine whether I'll be able to convince people to use it

Is there a better alternative? I don't see anything conclusive in the link on that front

I'll third it. Still on season 2 but I've already learned an incredible amount

I think addiction is a key aspect. Like with gambling there is of course that aspect of responsibility, but regulation to minimize harm is also important.

All the major social media apps being designed to exploit that dopamine response is kind of like junk foods being the most common due to being subsidized; of course people just shouldn't eat junk food, but we should make healthy options the most prevalent and common instead.

Of course that would require a government that would actually force corporations to implement harm reductive measures, instead of one bought by and working for corporations...

FOSS alternatives like Lemmy, Pixelfed, and Loops should be much healthier due to no algorithm working to maximize engagement. I also think social isolation is a big part of the addiction aspect, at least in America

So you say

Interesting way to start, considering I linked three articles.

The history of the phrase has no bearing on the current use of the phrase. Kind of like when Biden said "I am a zionist." It meant something totally different when he was coming up than it does today.

The articles covered both historical and modern usage. Zionism is the same ideology as when it started, in fact that has become only more obvious since this genocide started.

• https://www.rahs-open-lid.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Masalha-Nur-Expulsion-of-the-Palestinians_-The-Concept-of-_Transfer_-in-Zionist-Political-Thought-1882-1948-Institute-for-Palestine-Studies-2012.pdf
• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/14/israeli-historian-ilan-pappe-this-is-the-last-phase-of-zionism
• https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/

I'll quote from each article, including the two you linked, as they all support the reality that it is an emancipatory slogan.

Yousef Munayyer, head of the Palestine-Israel program at the Arab Center Washington D.C., has written extensively about the meaning of the slogan before and since Hamas's attacks on Oct. 7, which led to Israel's current bombardment of the Gaza Strip.

"It's an expression of Palestinian nationalism and it's an expression of a demand for Palestinian freedom or self-determination," said Waxman. "I think Palestinian self-determination need not come at the expense of Jewish self-determination. Nor do I think Palestinian freedom has to be considered a threat to Jewish rights."

• https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/from-the-river-to-the-sea-palestine-1.7033881

Simply put, the majority of Palestinians who use this phrase do so because they believe that, in 10 short words, it sums up their personal ties, their national rights and their vision for the land they call Palestine. And while attempts to police the slogan’s use may come from a place of genuine concern, there is a risk that tarring the slogan as antisemitic – and therefore beyond the pale – taps into a longer history of attempts to silence Palestinian voices.

• https://theconversation.com/from-the-river-to-the-sea-a-palestinian-historian-explores-the-meaning-and-intent-of-scrutinized-slogan-217491

The use of the phrase “from the river to the sea” has come under particular scrutiny in the last three months. When Palestinians, or anyone on the left, has used the phrase to demand a free Palestine—as in the popular chant, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”—those on the right have disingenuously argued that it is calling for the death of all Jewish people in Israel.

• https://newrepublic.com/post/178243/benjamin-netanyahu-literally-says-from-the-river-to-the-sea

In 2021, the Palestinian-American writer Yousef Munayyer argued that those who saw genocidal ambition in the phrase, or indeed an unambiguous desire for the destruction of Israel, did so due to their own Islamophobia.

It was instead, he argued, merely a way to express a desire for a state in which “Palestinians can live in their homeland as free and equal citizens, neither dominated by others nor dominating them”.

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/from-the-river-to-the-sea-where-does-the-slogan-come-from-and-what-does-it-mean-israel-palestine

Preventing any possibility of a Palestinian state has always been Israel’s policy, one that the settlement building in the Occupied Territories is meant to ensure. This policy has been intensified under Benjamin Netanyahu, who in January 2024 publicly vowed to resist any attempt to create a Palestinian state and to maintain Israeli control from the river to the sea.

It is often maintained that the slogan ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ expresses a genocidal and antisemitic intention. But this is generally not the case. On the contrary, the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for Palestinian liberation

Denying such demands seems as self-evident to most Israeli Jews as the air they breathe. It is this denial that has led to the dehumanization of Palestinians and has culminated in the genocidal mood that is prevailing in Israeli Jewish society today and in the assault taking place now in Gaza. This should be viewed as the real problem and not the legitimate chant of ‘from the river to the sea: Palestine will be free’.

• https://revdem.ceu.edu/2024/03/27/from-the-river-to-the-sea-one-slogan-many-meanings/

In Israel, Haaretz journalist Ravit Hecht wrote that the slogan is a call ‘for ethnic cleansing, similar to the one that took place in the Gaza ‘envelope’ [on October 7]… It’s not about a return to the 1967 borders or a cessation of the occupation, but the annihilation of the Jewish national home and the expulsion of Jews from this place.’"

Ravit Hecht is a zionist. Having a liberal leaning on a fascist ideology doesn't make it any less fascist. It's to the surprise of no one that zionist propaganda is deliberately used to de-legitimize the emancipatory slogan, used by the ones they oppress and ethnically cleanse, and project the mentality of genocide which Zionists are doing as we speak.

From Revit Hecht, among many other racist remarks such as Palestinians being a 'murderous and barbaric culture':

Hamas did what it did in the most horrific manner one could imagine. The organization’s defenders preach this, covering it with pseudo-intellectual blather and a specious discourse about human rights. If human rights interested them, they would enthusiastically support Israel’s war against Hamas, an organization that primarily oppresses its own people.

Anyone denying the right of a nation to defend itself after an attack, the cruelty of which can not be expressed in words, with the people who perpetrated it vowing to repeat it at the first opportunity; anyone who fails to distinguish between the way the IDF conducts itself in the Gaza Strip and the way Hamas treated its victims, is collaborating with an antisemitic attack. Sometimes it’s because such a person is himself or herself antisemitic, even if they are Jewish.

• https://archive.is/ELVsL

the people on the opposite side of that statement hear it very, very differently.

The other side being Zionists, who purposely de-legitimize and project the zionist ideology of ethnic cleansing onto the emancipatory slogan of the people they oppress and ethnically cleanse. You're only proving the point myself, SmilingSolaris, and everyone down voting your responses.

It's not, nor are it's origins. It's a call for an end to the apartheid and creation of a democratic secular state in its stead, not the genocide of Israelis/Jewish people. Netanyahu's use, calling for only Israeli sovereignty over historic Palestine, is completely different and a false equivalence.

• https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

The US has shown time and time again that Israel can kill as many Americans as they want without any consequence. The US cares far more about their foreign policy in the region than American lives

It does, because of Zionism, not Judaism

https://youtu.be/lczq10K1iew

Compared to 61% of all constituents, 70% of just democratic constituents (as of jan 18 2025)

It's a genocide

Fuck every other Democrat and Republican Senator that voted to support genocide

They aren't even good at hiding it

Israel's Economic Espionage in the United States

Yeah, from my understanding China is only interested in it's own self growth. While the Belt and Road initiative has certainly been beneficial for the global south, especially when compared to Neo-colonialism via the IMF and World Bank, it's still ultimately for China's sake. They have no interest in promoting Chinese style Communism to other countries, at least currently. Whether that will change or not I don't know. Their current military aid towards the perpetuators of genocide in those conflicts is absolutely unacceptable.

What I want is an international organization where everyone has a vote and no one has a veto, where international law can actually be implemented instead of ignored. Where human rights violations documented by Amnesty International, HRW, Euro-Med Monitor, ect will be materially addressed by the global community regardless of who's committing the violations. To that end, I oppose all Imperialism, Colonialism, and Neo-colonialism.

To establish democracy? Are you joking?

That's State Department propaganda that's been completely debunked for a while. The aims of US foreign policy on Afghanistan were lucrative financial exploitation and destabilizing the region.

The U.S. occupation of Afghanistan was colonialism that prevented Afghan self-determination

Timeline: How September 11, 2001 led to US’s longest war

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Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm not sure which media sources are credible on the situation so I haven't looked into it much.

It's hard to predict how the US will respond globally as this empire free falls. Usually empires lash out violently as they wane, and with military bases around the world and an incompetent fascist in charge, I fear the US will too. Those military bases could quickly become considered an occupation by the many home countries if relations sour.

Multi-polar organizations like BRICS and regional multi-national organizations give me hope that China would not be a dominant force like the US is and European empires were. But only time will tell.

I do believe internationalism will be critical for global solidarity and a multi-polar world. If global capitalism is truly coming to a violent end in the near future, I can only hope that a socialist mode of production and mutualism will gain prominence in it's place.

Whatever happens, I wish you and the Taiwanese people peace, whichever way they choose to go with, if the status quo becomes no longer an option

How do you feel about the military exercises China takes near Taiwan?

I'd also like to hear your perspective on US involvement in the region, such as military bases and weapons aid.

12,000 Palestinians fought against the Nazis in WWII

What did I lie about?