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What boat?

Okay that's sort of what I thought.

So the protocol, from like an insurance coverage decision-tree standpoint, in this situation, would have been to test the bat if possible and if not possible administer the vaccine?

I was under the impression that the vaccine is pretty awful and a health ordeal in itself, and that while the dose wasn't expensive, the aftercare is.

And that is why, as I understand, the CDC protocol is only seek medical attention if there's a visible bite.

What do you mean? Yes. They checked the kid over and saw nothing. Obviously there was an exposure that either left no mark, left a mark that appeared normal, or the parents didn't see it.

No for real. You can do a 2-second Google search and find a bunch of studies showing that humans can learn to do it very well within a 10-week course of 2 hours a day. But I know there is a video floating around of some students who managed to prove that even within just a few hours of training test subjects did remarkably better navigating a room using clicks whilst blindfolded then they did before the training and with no clickers. The research speaks for itself. You already have the skill in your brain and you're using it all the time when you move around in the world, you just don't consciously realize it. It's why you have two years instead of like one big ear right in the middle. Your brain can discern the difference in sound from one ear to the other and use it to triangulate the source of the sound and sources of reverberation and echoes. I'll see if I can dig up the video.

I can't seem to find the video. It was some research college and the experiment was to see how quickly humans could adapt to echolocation after being blinded. So you took regular people and put them in a room about the size of gymnasium with a bunch of lines and marks on the floor, They had a bunch of generic shaped furniture like from Ikea that they would move around the room using the different marks for the different tests, and one of the tests was to just take a group of people and leave them in this dark room for like three hours, walking around bumping into everything, then they move all the furniture and bring the subjects back in, and the collisions with furniture drops way off. The camera angles from the study are shot from above and shows I believe groups of two trying to navigate. It may well have been the study that showed it took 10 weeks and my memory is just not correct, but I have a very specific takeaway that was just a few hours the results are not only measurable by stark.

Very definitely documented cases of blind people who are apparently masters of echo location, most use a hand clicker, their mouth to click, or taps with a cane.

I looked at the CDC website before posting Aunt. It says the only indication for treatment is a bite or a scratch from species known to carry rabies. It doesn't say anything about testing for mere exposure.

I guess I see the counterpoints.

It's a kid. The duration of the exposure is unknown. Whether there was any contact is unknown. Bat. Bites or scratches can be invisible. Bires or scratches could be mistaken.

What's the scuttlebutt here, your saying in this situation to test the kid or administer a vaccine?

I'm certain the medical staff 's determination of The credibility of a fact attested to by a child is not a factor.

We're also assuming this kid isn't a straight up victim of healthcare inequality. The article is light on details. Perhaps the parents considered this, searched the web, searched for bites or scratches, and the cost of seeking care felt too great for this family? I didn't catch if this happened in a civilized nation with universal health.

Fuck, this story is terrifying. Reminds me in some ways of when a kid dies in a hot car.

Sounds possible. Bats are mammals, maybe it sneezed, covered, but didn't wash it's hands, gave the kid a high five, and then the kid wiped a booger out of his eye with it.

Poor kid, never had a chance.

There's like eleven kinds of blood tests for rabies. None of them work on people, or is it by the time they work it's too late?

Nah there are studies that show that if you go blind suddenly you will start to learn decent echolocation within a few hours, meaning in a room they've never been in they can use a clicker and not walk into things. You can already do it you just haven't ever done it consciously. It's your phone.

Things like what?

The indication for testing according the CDC is a bite.

The rabies test is cheap. Could have tested the kid or the bat, but again why would they do it if there's no indication for exposure. This was the first case in the province of someone being infected with rabies inside their own home since 1967.

When you hear hoofbeats you don't think it's zebras.

Obviously they overlooked a scratch or a bite. Rabies isn't airborne.

No scratches, no bite. Why would they?

It's crazy. That kid was actively firing a gun at the president and they shot him fewer times than the Boston Marathon bomber who was unarmed and had been hiding in a boat for a day and a half.

I thought they killed that kid?

Hamas stops Gaza having elections.

The West Bank has no water? If they have money to fire a thousand rockets a month at Israel, why not spend some of that on the water infrastructure?

No doubt. I've seen some organizing though. There are some homeless individuals around me who are members of regional organizations at least. They use technology and organize locally.

Would be nice to see them all organize and descend on Washington, a tent city wave vis a vis the Bonus March in 1932.

I wonder how bad homeless would need to get before major reform. Camps are going to keep popping up until they overwhelm local resources, and then disperse some, a microcosmic cycle of ruralization and urbanization, with greater and greater capacity, and more and more sophisticated systems of public services, trade, and justice, until existing institutions and policies are replaced by popular hobo demand.

What's more, increasing poverty and homelessness is a major social, economic, public wellness, and national security issue that, in addition to not going away anytime soon, is something I think most Americans find compassion for, and even demand action on, when it's face to face, people like themselves.

It's like, as the oceanliner sinks, and the 99% have to fight for a few life boats and a piece of door, while the 1% fly away on a helicopter, the 99% must realize they were always exponentially closer to being in the same boat together than any of them were to being on the helicopter.

Dude wants to sabotage the US on purpose to give Russia an advantage.

Most of the ones who make money at it work for themselves, solo or with partners.

You'd be driving an exploding car and wearing a shirt made of asbestos if it weren't for personal injury lawyers. You're welcome.

I like how you put that.